Just stating here that this was not my intention with the thread.
totally agree with you tony never thought you were trying to diss them in any way mate

but as Jano says it does not take much to ruin a reputation before it starts

but they have a few serious demo cars that have run these ZVH convertions sucessfully for some time and even though i run a cossy myself and have no business intrests with this company myself feel that they have a lot to offer and should get the best start
cheers