But there is a difference between 2 and 4 and 6 and 10 mate, the 4 year old is out like a light from anywhere between 6 and 9 depending on how busy his day has been so he's normally no bother, but she's still getting her afternoon naps in and is up later in the evening, and if she doesn't then she's out by around 6 or 7 and then back up again at around 10 or 11 so I k ownwhem I'd rather she was asleep