eeerm!they are them newish kalibra one piece copies of the bbs.did look at many but to be honest these are a really good wheel.the centres are all metal and the finish is very good the bolts can be changed as they are bbs compatable.they come as 4x100 et 35 8.5 x17.but chris in southend got me them as blanks and had them drilled to 4x108.the really good point is the price 525 pounds delivered.can get you a closs up if you still need
thank you for the kind comments boys