probably go for the rs engine. Thanks for the responses anyway lads. What it is is that im planning on getting a standard focus and transforming it completley into an rs but put the 170 engine in to save a bit of money but the rs would be better suited, ill just have to wait for cash. Could anybody tell me were i could get hold of the bumpers ? The only place i can find a set is ebay, 450 for fibreglass. Alos does the rs have wider arches ? as i would have to get hold of them aswell and lastly lol are there any sprayers on here that fancy making some beer tokens ? There was a lad a while back on zsoc that said he would do it for 800 which is a bargain and his work looks good but cant remember who he is and round my way im getting quotes of 2500 or could somebody recomend someone in the north west thats fairly cheapish ? Lot to read lol Thanks guys