oh, and before i get off my soap box, people who get caught fiddling their benifits, no more benifits for a year, of any sort

and when i say fiddling i mean fiddling, not some accountancy cock up where they've given you 5 tiems as much money as you should have been getting, then you'd just go back to normal payments etc

and no child beinifit for more than 2 kids, assuming the parents are still together, if they ain't then they get one kids benifit each and no more

no more "this is our council hose, we grew up in it, we ain't moving out" boolcks either, you want to stay in you house, you pay for it, then we'll see how long you want to stay there