i dunno you lot saying the 170's arnt that quick, no its not going to set the world on fire but driven hard enough it will torque steer 1st 2nd and 3rd and get to 140 with ease. its not a straight line car put it on a twisty road and it soon makes sense, it has to be thraped to give its best but what N/A car doesnt? on one hand its a fun B road blaster on the other its a practical every day hack. ive had two 1800 focus's and there alright but slugish past 110 and the interior in the 170 is a much nicer place to be the 6th gear is great for fuel consumption aswell, i can potter around at 40mph and the engines practically idling. the ST170 i have now uses pretty much the same amount of fuel my 1.8's used to. its great on motorways aswell as you rarely have to change gear it still pulls well in 6th and goes fom 70 to 140 fairly quick once the cams adjusted. if you cant afford to insure/run a foci RS and you find the 1800 a bit slow the 170 is a perfect compromise.... and with regards to vags ive got one less cylinder and no turbo and still leave them for dead especially in the corners