all im saying is in my opinion ford dont make any good cars now and i never said ford owned cosworth did i but they were best when they had it on the back of there car! And im not stuck in the past if i wasent into cossies and mercs id have an evo or a new m3 or a new skyline not anything new from ford! And ford may own volvo but its still a volvo engine lol. And as for it being a thred about modern car i know that which is why i said i dont like any of them but thats just me if u do then thats fair play!And the evo may be built to modern standards but ford and cosworth could have built a modern yb too then we would still have the cosworth and if they had made it 4x4 as well then we could compete with the evo and the subaru