Originally Posted by Chip

You seem to have TOTALLY missed the point I was actually making about the psychology involved in creating young boys capable of such horrors.

Yes they knew what they were doing, but no they didnt understand why they shouldnt and THAT is why I feel they are victims they were never given a chance in life as they were never given the morals that the rest of us have.

yes the system failed them but at such a young age i dont think there are many services or placements for 10yr old killers ... lol


So why do you think they are evil scum, do you think they just popped out the womb and were evil? In which case surely its not their fault as how could they change that?
Or do you think they were brought up wrongly and turned evil, in which case how is that their fault either, they were ten fucking years old, they were still at a massively impressionable age and social services and their parents failed those young boys totally!
If you were born to their parents, you may well have ended up the same way!


parents were just normal people ,suprisingly not as you would think or expect them to be !!
they cam from a loved and normal-ish family background ... have also been told that had it have been popular back then that both would have been diagnosed with adhd and given ritalin !!

AND FOR THE RECORD CHIP YOU DO REALIZE THIS WAS THE 3RD ATTEMPT BY THE BOYS TO STEAL A CHILD AND HURT HIM !!..
as they thought it would be fun ...nothing more nothing less !!

i have 4 kids myself inc 2 around the age of 10 and must say ,i think they can tell you that taking a child then abusing him and beating him is wrong both morally and socially !! and is not normal !!!

all this bollocks about them being failed etc etc is just a smokescreen for the fact they WERE both evil but nothing could be done as they were both underage !!!





Yes you seem to be feeling a lot and thinking very little.

nope im thinking quite clearly and presenting my opinion ,just the same as you do !!!!
is it the fact you dont agree with me that makes you feel ther need to insult me !!!
can tell your a journalist chip !! .....

maybe you should have dealt with the case or been the judge and jury that day then and all will have been fine lol!!

Does anyone doubt that?
The question isnt if they were sadistic and evil, of course they were, the question is WHY were they?
Who is really to blame for how those lads turned out to be like that at such a young age?

There are a whole bunch of people who are ultimately responsible for failing in their roles in bringing those lads up and they have all got off totally while those 2 young boys have shouldered all the blame.