Bollocks to ever being a parent, lol.....

But if I had a 2 year old child in a busy shopping centre (which would only be there if there were NO alternative arrangements that could be made), it'd be on reins.

But anyway, whilst I do see what Chip is saying, and feel a little sorry for the murderers, I also don't see what alternatives there are for them. They had a bad start in life, and because of what happened to them, it's now too late for them to be changed. So don't see and alternative to a life under lock and key 'cos they'll never been fit for society.