thanks cozzfather, ive just found gazm's car... that is lush and the sort of car im after,is it still for sale? the sills do go from what ive been told, a friend who has the big turbo model knows loads about these and said hes up for looking at them with me so that should help, as for driving one i wouldnt let nobody drive mine so i wouldnt drive anybody elses unless a sale is involved