i agree with chopshop that from what i can see and have read on shift it appears to be the making of a good game.the acceleration and deceleration and the way the drivers head moves around when you crash sounds interesting and the inside view of the cars looks fantastic.forza 2 is an amazing game with brilliant tunability,driving 4wd turbod mk2 golfs and rwd honda crxs was fun,although i mo it was lacking the inside view,am hoping its introduced into forza 3.i dont think we should slate shift till weve played it,i liked nfs underground 2 the best and gave up playing after most wanted came out,played pro street a bit and seems quite cool.just my 2 pennies worth ppl