Also depends how charlie'd up they are, never forget once when we about 19 and 2 twats at lot older than us kicked off for nowt up beer gardens one afternoon, was 5 of us, 2 went to the car n got dumbell bars, smashing the fuck out of em, theyd fall down, then theyd get back up again and try n carry on
It was like a zombie film, anyone else wouldve been dead by then, they just kept getting back up n trying to fight