no mate we just use a mixture of high foaming TFR and normal foam from autoglym in a 250L barrel. 4 5 litre tubs of high foaming TFR, 1 normal TFR foam and then get the rest with water mate. we have a jag XJS that comes in every couple of days for a wash and every weekend it has a wax and from first wash after that til the next wax it stays on perfect.