cant comment for anyone else on here but i got ma newman in 2002 when no one was using them and was testing them for AVA,over the piper it made gains everywhere in the rev range,thats proven and seen it with my own eyes,i will agree with u to the extent that if its not pf approved then its deemed shit,i had my cam long b4 anyone on this site and was never spoken about until one of the so called tribe got theres and then it became the dogs danglies,but i can say that my newman cam perfrmed better than the kent and piper i had befre hand

out of interest which cam do u run???