well it was posted in GD and correctly moved to the policy room. however, given the topic, it may be that it should have hovered in GD for longer to allow more folk to see it and comment. even though it was moved to the correct room, given the contentious nature of the subject, i wondered if this was to appease tuners?

my reason for assumming it had been deleted is that after failing to find it in GD i then searched for all posts by l8 ecu and it did not show up in the result list (still doesn't). thus it appeared to have been deleted, adding to the mystery surrounding the subject.

PT mandarin - well 'pf' = passionford and 'mandarin' was a status of great seneority or nobility from chinese history.