cheers for that, not being funny, but this oil change will have to last me well into the summer. i've had about 2 weeks work since christmas, on and off and things are gonna get worse. i might have to slum it out abit, and use whats to hand for now. i used mobil 1 stuff before, i cant remember the exact one and that was about 36 quid. that was beofre i dropped my turbo engine in though. damm cars are SO expensive to maintain, god knows what it'd be like with some thing really valuable <-- real tears on this one