me and a friend followed a group of 4 or 5 of these round the ring early last year, in the wet, in my 1.8 escort. they were obviously trying as we had to stop 3 times for them losing it, one had a prang just before adenau and we ended up going past. was quite suprised how my escort kept with them, i was expecting be left behind after the initial blast upto the first sharp right hander....