jojj, tbh mate you pay for what you get, 4 days labour foe a skilled self employed tradesman is CHEAP, i dont know any who would work for under £200 a day, and as for rates going up for tradesman you are way of track, im a carpenter and suffering prices taking a hammering along with the rest of the trades, other jobs get inflation, builders get deflation so it seems due to soo many foriegners working for peanuts