what can i say.........fook me it's hot............i got the one in the second link,(montane anti-freeze jacket) came this morning.........i know it's not that cold at the mo, but fuckn hell i just walked up the street in it and i'm pissin' with sweat....i had to take my hat off just to let a bit heat out..........i honestly cant wear it at the mo cos it's too much.(even with just a t-shirt under)....bring on the cold.........