Steve, there are way's of telling when you're on the receiving end of "bid up", I was bidding on a nokia 6230, max i was gonna may is 200 sheets, i lost out at bang on 200, so i bid on another, and won it, then got an e-mail back from e-bay saying there had been a bid rectraction, and i was the highest bidder, got the phone for 195 sheets, and will sell it on there for £245 plus a tenners worth of postage