yeh already seen were they pin them i have pinned them up but didnt do the bottom as i was using the tool on another van, the problem i have is that some one in the work shop has moved the bottom pulley whilst we have been waiting for the new chain and tensioner and guides so now the bootm is out i have check the ford tsb manual and it say 50 degrees btdc but how do i find this out with out renmoving the head