Tabetha. removed the pipes and cast manifold but left evrything else where it was. But now need a new starter, starter wire and heat wrap and it earthed out on the new manifold and burnt out as they only mm's apart but been told the mk3 fiesta or the Ka starters are smaller and may give more clearance between the 2! Thanx fr all your advice it has been excellent! I know about the egr and was told to definitely NOT to touch this or i would face major problems!