I think the main reason why i want to get it down is just to know the limits really as i think it would give me more confidence through the corners, and as i said it may help me to get out of trouble if need be.

Ive heard of a few people going to proper places to learn how to do it, and after an hour or so, they can do it, and thats after a few years of riding and tryong themselves with no joy.

Im sure theres only a limited amount of places you could do it on the road anyway do to our craps road surfaces, and i certainly wouldnt want to get right down on roads i dont know anyway.

Out of interest, can either of you get yours down and do you use all of your tyre?

I always thought that it was something that 99% of bikers aim to acheive at some point though.