as dave says i cant find anywiring for the temp sensor that is obvious so i presume its broke off and been taped over or its been cut off and taped over, either way i dont fancy unwrappind the loom to find it. cheers though so its just 1 wire from the temp sensor to one of the bits on the multiplug on the dash clocks? if so that seems a simpler idea rather than unwrap the loom i think ill just get a new connector and wire it to the multiplug on the clocks.