i was on about either pressing f4 or f8 as both seem to kick start the safe mode in start up

but i've got another 55 minutes worth of the other programme running before i can do that
only one thing left to delete as it seemed to get rid of the other 18, only one stubborn little bugger left

i've backed up all my data only a few days ago so everything else is surplus to reuirements or i can get it put on again so i'm not worried
it's just trying to put it all back on again thats the daunting part (but my brother is into this sort of stuff so i might get him to do it over the weekend