Cheers Jay, i'll see if anyone has any luck with the local scrappy's first (xrstu is looking today and im going to look tomorrow too and now you as well) and the if not i will try that guy, if he hasnt got or cant get what im after, i will give the pattern crap on ebay a go, probably fit well enough not to matter in this instance, its only a workhorse anyway, dont really care if the panel gaps are perfect or not, just cant be driving around with it stoved in