Hi Dave,

Yes I do agree studies are helpfull and they are there for a reason so I could of worded that a little better. But I just don't agree with your No.2 statement above...it sounds miss leading, I was speaking from personal experience and stand by the following,

The ECA stack does improve performance Fact no matter what the studies say. You said you would stay clear of Ephedrine for some very good reasons and I understand that, but who ever can't say it does not improve performance in the correct ratio's a dose,... it does!, People on here have used it as many people across the world have to good effect. One of the main reasons it was banned along with the side effects etc was it's great effect as a weight loss supplement, that the pharmaceutical companies around the world were frightened they were missing out on raking in billions of pounds/dollars from a substance that was available of the shelf by jo public.

So yes there are some good and bad points against the ECA if abused but I still stand by the fact that it does improve performance as original posted by Martinshuter, no matter what the studies say.


Ref the L-Glutamine, well as you say you remain critical...fair enough, but this is still one of the most respected supplements on the market today and widely used in many products including the popular MR for one.



& my offer still stands by the way Dave then you can do your own study!