thanx for your help the wheels i have bought our brand new evo 7 made by dare and i had them ordered in for a rs turbo and i had a good look today to see if i can see what off set they our but it dont say but tyer size 205/40 .the car as 40mm lowering springs on. my old wheels our 16''i would like to keep the car low as it looks real nice i have seen turbos even lower than mine