Ok Richard.point taken but all i can say is try and climb on a bike sometime even on the back and see how different they are/act.Theyre probably nice coz your tunin theyre beloved penile extension and theyre slobberin at the thought of blowin an even bigger percentage of the motoring population away..They aint so nice when your on a bike humiliating them.Ive had them givin me the finger just coz I made the mistake of overtakin them.