Well to be honest, the orion in the siggy (now scrapped) had the Red dots on it when i bought it, there were literally brand new, and ive got an orion im running around in now which doesnt get driven hard, but theyre getting quite bad,but they are old i can here the pads are nearly gone aswell so they have done well. My cabriolet the breaks were all shit and leaking, so its got cossie 2wd set up now, see if i can warp them fuckers