Local school doesn't sell them, in fact most of the schools in the town I live dont enforce wearing a tie anymore. I do like Andys idea of lost proprty tho, gotta be worth a try

Chip you're just a wrongun - nuff said lol

and Rob, I really appreciate your offer, but I want 2 of them the same, I hope I get some soon, im really looking forward to it, gonna be veeeeeeery messy and escpecially for Chip I will make sure we get some pics lol