lol @ ginge lets hope we don't see that post the car in its self cost me nothing as it was a swap for a erst that needed work as so did the cossie which i did my self on a budget so its not as though i'm loosing anything on it yet the thing was i would not move away from a cossie at this point in my life the question was do i give up on mine and with the money i would save on this one buy another which on face value is the better car but as dave has said whats to say i'm not going to get my self the same problems in 6 months from that one then ginge as you say whats the point in spending all that money on it