Big build getting back on track
01-09-2015, 02:42 PM
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Big build getting back on track
3 months or so back I decided to pull the plug on my resto thread. Very few people knew the real reason for that and only one person on here was told & that's because he pm'd me.
To clear this up an explanation. 13 months ago I suffered a TGA not nice & a lengthy recovery period. I was told a full year to be back to full sharpness & they were right. However its the side effects that caused my problem I started to suffer with bouts of depression & they got worse about 6 months ago. If you have not suffered don't try to understand cos you cant. However the medication has worked & I appear to be free at this time.
I went to Marks today to kick start my build & now have a schedule from Mark to its completion in Feb 2016. I will update on parts purchased & pending as we approach the problems we need to solve. Fuel Pump , Voltage Booster & EGT to can bus module are amongst the choices to be made as is injector choice. I will go into the maths if I don't get shot down too badly.
To clear this up an explanation. 13 months ago I suffered a TGA not nice & a lengthy recovery period. I was told a full year to be back to full sharpness & they were right. However its the side effects that caused my problem I started to suffer with bouts of depression & they got worse about 6 months ago. If you have not suffered don't try to understand cos you cant. However the medication has worked & I appear to be free at this time.
I went to Marks today to kick start my build & now have a schedule from Mark to its completion in Feb 2016. I will update on parts purchased & pending as we approach the problems we need to solve. Fuel Pump , Voltage Booster & EGT to can bus module are amongst the choices to be made as is injector choice. I will go into the maths if I don't get shot down too badly.
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01-09-2015, 03:47 PM
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When your in it you can't see a way out not for want and trying glad your feeling better mate 
01-09-2015, 04:03 PM
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Good to hear you're on the mend! I look forward to updates.
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01-09-2015, 05:56 PM
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Well done Rod! Crack on with it, can't wait to see it run in anger!
01-09-2015, 06:07 PM
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mk6 escort fantasist
Excellent news rod! depression can be a wicked illness, glad it didnt take a hold of you.
Onwards and upwards! Looking forward to your updates. Should make a documentary about it!
Onwards and upwards! Looking forward to your updates. Should make a documentary about it!
02-09-2015, 10:18 AM
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Depression affects sooo many people, it is awful, I had an episode in 2008/2009 and it is too hard to describe just how crippling it is and as you say, if you have not been there then you will never understand....have a good read up on mindfulness it is a good long term solution.
02-09-2015, 08:39 PM
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I got depression about eight years ago. I didnt believe in it, the wife booked me a doctor appointment and talked me into going. So he askes me whats wrong and I say I think im depressed. He asks why? I say, I keep getting the urge to throw myself off a roof, how long id fall for, what the impact would feel like etc.docs says how often do you get these urges? I say on a daily basis, he asks, what do you do for a living? Roofer I reply! He reached straight for his prescription pad lol
02-09-2015, 09:21 PM
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I got depression about eight years ago. I didnt believe in it, the wife booked me a doctor appointment and talked me into going. So he askes me whats wrong and I say I think im depressed. He asks why? I say, I keep getting the urge to throw myself off a roof, how long id fall for, what the impact would feel like etc.docs says how often do you get these urges? I say on a daily basis, he asks, what do you do for a living? Roofer I reply! He reached straight for his prescription pad lol
02-09-2015, 09:23 PM
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lol
03-09-2015, 10:02 AM
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I got depression about eight years ago. I didnt believe in it, the wife booked me a doctor appointment and talked me into going. So he askes me whats wrong and I say I think im depressed. He asks why? I say, I keep getting the urge to throw myself off a roof, how long id fall for, what the impact would feel like etc.docs says how often do you get these urges? I say on a daily basis, he asks, what do you do for a living? Roofer I reply! He reached straight for his prescription pad lol
I just thought it was normal
03-09-2015, 11:16 AM
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Thanks lads but I want to put that behind me now & press on with the car.
These 3 items are required on the new build I will explain why. Ive purchased the Pump but am awaiting Mark to agree the other parts are OK.
Here are the Calcs to show why a Protec p1 is required & my Automotive Eliminator cant cope at my Spec. The aim was to find a single pump to cope.
The criteria is 1000bhp on Methanol @ 4bar of boost we may not push things that far but we wanted a single pump to cope with that.
Here are the cals for Methanol .First you require the Brake specific fuel consumption of the fuel quoted by the manufacturer. Methanol = 1.2 for a comparison pump fuel is .6. This means you will require twice as much Methanol as pump fuel.
To calculate the Flow required in Lb/hr = Bhp x bsfc or 1000 x 1.2 = 1200Lb/hr. Divide by the weight of a gallon of fuel = 1000/7.29 = 165 gall/hr
So we need apump to flow 165 gall/hr @ 3.5bar ( fuel pressure) + 4 bar ( Boost) =109psi.
I found only 2 non mechanical pumps that were still on the flow chart at 109psi. My own Automotive pump rated at a 1000bhp is off the graph at 90psi so useless at these boost levels.
The Protec Veyron P1 is quoted at 119gall/hr @ 110psi at a Voltage of 13.5V.
If you increase Input Voltage the Pump will flow more & we already use a 16v Accuvolt system in the car. At 16v the P1 will pump 149 gall/hr so we are on the right track.
Using a FMS Powermax will increase Volts to 18v & is controlled by the ECU so only adds voltage when required so the pump does not get hot. At this Voltage the P1 cranks out 173galls/hr. The P1 is rated to take 19v input so thats safe & is the solution.
We also need to monitor EGT at each exhaust port so the EGT module will send the info from 4 'Stinger' probes to the can bus of the ECU.
Im also sending my cam cover to be machined today to accept the cam sensor we are doing this to open up the area for my dry sump .
To the sad trolls that follow my threads like a One Direction groupie you are permitted to use your 'Rod is boring' tags to excess on this thread because to Fuckwits knowledge is boring
.
These 3 items are required on the new build I will explain why. Ive purchased the Pump but am awaiting Mark to agree the other parts are OK.
Here are the Calcs to show why a Protec p1 is required & my Automotive Eliminator cant cope at my Spec. The aim was to find a single pump to cope.
The criteria is 1000bhp on Methanol @ 4bar of boost we may not push things that far but we wanted a single pump to cope with that.
Here are the cals for Methanol .First you require the Brake specific fuel consumption of the fuel quoted by the manufacturer. Methanol = 1.2 for a comparison pump fuel is .6. This means you will require twice as much Methanol as pump fuel.
To calculate the Flow required in Lb/hr = Bhp x bsfc or 1000 x 1.2 = 1200Lb/hr. Divide by the weight of a gallon of fuel = 1000/7.29 = 165 gall/hr
So we need apump to flow 165 gall/hr @ 3.5bar ( fuel pressure) + 4 bar ( Boost) =109psi.
I found only 2 non mechanical pumps that were still on the flow chart at 109psi. My own Automotive pump rated at a 1000bhp is off the graph at 90psi so useless at these boost levels.
The Protec Veyron P1 is quoted at 119gall/hr @ 110psi at a Voltage of 13.5V.
If you increase Input Voltage the Pump will flow more & we already use a 16v Accuvolt system in the car. At 16v the P1 will pump 149 gall/hr so we are on the right track.
Using a FMS Powermax will increase Volts to 18v & is controlled by the ECU so only adds voltage when required so the pump does not get hot. At this Voltage the P1 cranks out 173galls/hr. The P1 is rated to take 19v input so thats safe & is the solution.
We also need to monitor EGT at each exhaust port so the EGT module will send the info from 4 'Stinger' probes to the can bus of the ECU.
Im also sending my cam cover to be machined today to accept the cam sensor we are doing this to open up the area for my dry sump .
To the sad trolls that follow my threads like a One Direction groupie you are permitted to use your 'Rod is boring' tags to excess on this thread because to Fuckwits knowledge is boring
.
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03-09-2015, 01:52 PM
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Thanks lads but I want to put that behind me now & press on with the car.
These 3 items are required on the new build I will explain why. Ive purchased the Pump but am awaiting Mark to agree the other parts are OK.
Here are the Calcs to show why a Protec p1 is required & my Automotive Eliminator cant cope at my Spec. The aim was to find a single pump to cope.
The criteria is 1000bhp on Methanol @ 4bar of boost we may not push things that far but we wanted a single pump to cope with that.
Here are the cals for Methanol .First you require the Brake specific fuel consumption of the fuel quoted by the manufacturer. Methanol = 1.2 for a comparison pump fuel is .6. This means you will require twice as much Methanol as pump fuel.
To calculate the Flow required in Lb/hr = Bhp x bsfc or 1000 x 1.2 = 1200Lb/hr. Divide by the weight of a gallon of fuel = 1000/7.29 = 165 gall/hr
So we need apump to flow 165 gall/hr @ 3.5bar ( fuel pressure) + 4 bar ( Boost) =109psi.
I found only 2 non mechanical pumps that were still on the flow chart at 109psi. My own Automotive pump rated at a 1000bhp is off the graph at 90psi so useless at these boost levels.
The Protec Veyron P1 is quoted at 119gall/hr @ 110psi at a Voltage of 13.5V.
If you increase Input Voltage the Pump will flow more & we already use a 16v Accuvolt system in the car. At 16v the P1 will pump 149 gall/hr so we are on the right track.
Using a FMS Powermax will increase Volts to 18v & is controlled by the ECU so only adds voltage when required so the pump does not get hot. At this Voltage the P1 cranks out 173galls/hr. The P1 is rated to take 19v input so thats safe & is the solution.
We also need to monitor EGT at each exhaust port so the EGT module will send the info from 4 'Stinger' probes to the can bus of the ECU.
Im also sending my cam cover to be machined today to accept the cam sensor we are doing this to open up the area for my dry sump .
To the sad trolls that follow my threads like a One Direction groupie you are permitted to use your 'Rod is boring' tags to excess on this thread because to Fuckwits knowledge is boring.
These 3 items are required on the new build I will explain why. Ive purchased the Pump but am awaiting Mark to agree the other parts are OK.
Here are the Calcs to show why a Protec p1 is required & my Automotive Eliminator cant cope at my Spec. The aim was to find a single pump to cope.
The criteria is 1000bhp on Methanol @ 4bar of boost we may not push things that far but we wanted a single pump to cope with that.
Here are the cals for Methanol .First you require the Brake specific fuel consumption of the fuel quoted by the manufacturer. Methanol = 1.2 for a comparison pump fuel is .6. This means you will require twice as much Methanol as pump fuel.
To calculate the Flow required in Lb/hr = Bhp x bsfc or 1000 x 1.2 = 1200Lb/hr. Divide by the weight of a gallon of fuel = 1000/7.29 = 165 gall/hr
So we need apump to flow 165 gall/hr @ 3.5bar ( fuel pressure) + 4 bar ( Boost) =109psi.
I found only 2 non mechanical pumps that were still on the flow chart at 109psi. My own Automotive pump rated at a 1000bhp is off the graph at 90psi so useless at these boost levels.
The Protec Veyron P1 is quoted at 119gall/hr @ 110psi at a Voltage of 13.5V.
If you increase Input Voltage the Pump will flow more & we already use a 16v Accuvolt system in the car. At 16v the P1 will pump 149 gall/hr so we are on the right track.
Using a FMS Powermax will increase Volts to 18v & is controlled by the ECU so only adds voltage when required so the pump does not get hot. At this Voltage the P1 cranks out 173galls/hr. The P1 is rated to take 19v input so thats safe & is the solution.
We also need to monitor EGT at each exhaust port so the EGT module will send the info from 4 'Stinger' probes to the can bus of the ECU.
Im also sending my cam cover to be machined today to accept the cam sensor we are doing this to open up the area for my dry sump .
To the sad trolls that follow my threads like a One Direction groupie you are permitted to use your 'Rod is boring' tags to excess on this thread because to Fuckwits knowledge is boring
.
and ive added some tags as you requested
ps, is that fuelling for a built in safety margin or to provide the power needed?
03-09-2015, 02:15 PM
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I got depression about eight years ago. I didnt believe in it, the wife booked me a doctor appointment and talked me into going. So he askes me whats wrong and I say I think im depressed. He asks why? I say, I keep getting the urge to throw myself off a roof, how long id fall for, what the impact would feel like etc.docs says how often do you get these urges? I say on a daily basis, he asks, what do you do for a living? Roofer I reply! He reached straight for his prescription pad lol
That did make me chuckle. Sorry...
03-09-2015, 03:09 PM
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look rod, all that science and numbers and the like is fine on your rebuilding your car thread, this thread is a get well soon thread and we dont need to learn about cars here
and ive added some tags as you requested
ps, is that fuelling for a built in safety margin or to provide the power needed?
and ive added some tags as you requested
ps, is that fuelling for a built in safety margin or to provide the power needed?
Its in the Restoration section not the Casualty section
. I realise that a large section off here are only here for the beer & technical talk about cars is the last thing they want. However I know from other Forums that true Petrolheads are interested in the facts not the banter. I will change the title so you don't get distressed & will send a PM so you know where to send the flowers & get well card .Its the fuel required if we try to produce 1000bhp @ 4 bar of Boost. If we do it will nearly max that pump out. To get even more boring tags I will go on to the maths of Injector selection at these extreme boost levels that's even more boring Dojj.
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03-09-2015, 03:22 PM
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We run a 90 amp alternator it can supply all we need. Wont have full beam, Wipers & Screen heaters on whilst running at 215mph
. Will explain about the Powermax in another post . Will wait till Mark OK's it.
03-09-2015, 03:31 PM
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Have worked on the new loom this morning. Have completed the Interior part of the loom that connects to existing Plugs in the car. Will wait until the engine is built to do the bit in the engine bay. The Jenvey inlet, Dry Sump & Cam trigger will be different so wont guess at this stage. Think I will stay with my existing coil set-up as we know it works & allows large plug gaps when used with the CDI.
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03-09-2015, 06:11 PM
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the 90's lol modern injectors a modern ecu and the most important bit the best mapper in the business