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Old 20-08-2013, 05:26 PM
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Ah dam so that was scoring on the bores then, I did have a feeling it was getting a bit to wet in the bore after a few turns, hopefully the damage is only on that cylinder and not the head etc
Old 20-08-2013, 05:27 PM
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sorry to hear that especially as you havnt had it long, did you check the fuelling with a wideband mate ?
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
sorry to hear that especially as you havnt had it long, did you check the fuelling with a wideband mate ?
Nah was waiting on me and the tuner being able to get together at a certain time but both too busy at different times.

anyway head is off and yep theres plenty of damage! unfortunately the head looks mre trashed than the bottom end, there appears to be no scoring on the bores but plenty of damage to the piston. there are det marks on a couple of other pistons so obviously not been set up right for a while.

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so the bit that i dont want (205 block) will probably go again! hopefully crank is ok which is quite possible so other than that the rest is scrap!

not good news and time to start building, definitely going to go 4x4 now too so once i know what the engine is going to set me back im going to start collecting bits. in the mean time im stripping off what i can getting ready for 4x4 bits.

Goos news is it has an alloy crossmember too so wont need to change that, its kind of a bodged 2wd conversion anyway! loom is fucked too so will find a 4x4 one of them. at least ill make the car so much better this way!
Old 20-08-2013, 07:58 PM
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Sell that Bentley and buy the 40 grand 1000bhp engine in performance ford lol!
But on a serious note gutted for you but I'm sure it will be bigger and better
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
Sell that Bentley and buy the 40 grand 1000bhp engine in performance ford lol!
But on a serious note gutted for you but I'm sure it will be bigger and better
lol now theres an idea haha.... its everything else that would need upgrading too dont forget...

nah on a serious note thanks mate, im sure it will be, this way the bay can be sorted properly and everything else, lots of issues found and the loom really is a joke, so that is high on the list of things to get.
Old 20-08-2013, 08:25 PM
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Shitter mate
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Oh wow nice valve, have you inspected the turbo at all yet, at least your saving a few penny's doing it yourself
Old 20-08-2013, 08:38 PM
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turbo looks ok.

wish it was just the valve though. Lump off the edge and pitting on the head is the real shitter. looks fucked to me.
Old 20-08-2013, 08:46 PM
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It's surprising what a small fragment of metal and ceramic can do I'd like to know where the bit of valve has gone?
Old 21-08-2013, 08:21 AM
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Sorry to read that mate.

Could never understand why a 205 block was in that car.

One thing I would do if you're getting an engine build, put a new engine loom in, just for peace of mind.
Old 21-08-2013, 08:46 AM
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doh, not good at all then
Old 21-08-2013, 09:14 AM
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Not a good result but at least you can build a trustworthy engine
Old 21-08-2013, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sticky.
Sorry to read that mate.

Could never understand why a 205 block was in that car.

One thing I would do if you're getting an engine build, put a new engine loom in, just for peace of mind.
dont worry its the first thing i will buy, it truly is shocking.

and agreed, no more 205 block and certainly no more shoddy workmanship, ill be stripping the underside too asap.
Old 21-08-2013, 07:33 PM
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Sorry to read/ hear this bud, feel for ya. But atleast now you can build your own engine and sort out all the niggles and then you'll have a great car.

Best of luck pal
Old 21-08-2013, 07:40 PM
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The sad thing is the previous owner has tryed to put the best parts but should have done the loom with knowing about the connection. 1 destroyed engine later is a bit of a kick in the teeth.
Old 22-08-2013, 07:12 AM
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Was not aware this had happened Rob what a downer but at least your positive and making plans for its return bigger and better than before, good luck geezer
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Shite news matey.But like you say you can build the engine up to a good spec now.

Bloody cars matey.When I used to work on Alfa Romeos I used to do a lot of engine jobs on them cause they would drop the valve heads and they would rattle about and fook the bores and pistons.
Old 22-08-2013, 02:01 PM
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so, ive sorted engine, gearbox both diffs, all props complete rear end front driveshafts so on and so on etc etc.

all will be here tomorrow.

A decision needs to be made though, of course i could just wack all this in, get it all set up properly and have 330hp and the car the way it should be.

however im getting that bug again and wanting to go big, that will obviously be something that would need to happen over time but i don see the point in putting the engine in yet if im going to do that.

i also can only put the engine in from below in one lump really so im going to have a garage full of bits with nothing to do to it.

seems to be all i think about at the moment! what a saddo!
Old 22-08-2013, 02:08 PM
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If your looking to put some power up it you may as well put a proper gearbox and diffs in it while its in bits or leave it rwd
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nah its fine, I will replace bit by bit, I just want to get it how it should be for a start if you get what i mean.

once im there with it and its a really good tidy example that im a lot more pleased with then ill look to do big upgrades.

i think thats why im swaying to just tidy it all up and put the 4x4 engine and drivetrain in it. get it all tidy and driving nice and how it should be at around 350hp and then save up and hit it in one go. at least that way t can actually drive into the tuner and not just arrive on a pallet as such!
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Well that took long to get the bits lol, glad your getting there, do you still want the loom diagram
Old 22-08-2013, 05:20 PM
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Same things just happened to me, made a right fuckin mess, I feel for ya mate :-(
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Originally Posted by gingerturbo
Well that took long to get the bits lol, glad your getting there, do you still want the loom diagram
Yes mate that would be nice, your help if you ever fancy it would be appreciated if you can tear yourself away from the family lol.

I'm going to be cleaning up and painting everything anyway. I think I've decided I'm going to build it up with the standardish engine really clean and get it nice and how it should be.

Then I'm going to get it mapped and run it while I get some money back around me and then go bigger and better.
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Originally Posted by MrC
Same things just happened to me, made a right fuckin mess, I feel for ya mate :-(
Yeah this is a bit messy mate, it's ok though will build it how it should be with the right bits anyway. Will be a lot better car eventually, get rid of the silly silver scheme underneath too. Go back to black!

As soon as it drives again I'm going to get the underside tidied up too, the jacking points are shocking! So many are though.
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
Yes mate that would be nice, your help if you ever fancy it would be appreciated if you can tear yourself away from the family lol.

I'm going to be cleaning up and painting everything anyway. I think I've decided I'm going to build it up with the standardish engine really clean and get it nice and how it should be.

Then I'm going to get it mapped and run it while I get some money back around me and then go bigger and better.
No probs ill dig out the loom diagram tonight,

I don't mind giving you a hand m8, I'm sure some chocolate for the misses will convince her to let me out lol
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whats the thickness of the head?
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Originally Posted by Versus_Creations
whats the thickness of the head?
no idea, i dont have anything to measure it with properly.

guys, if i am going to only go 350bhp, do i really need this bailey external breather?

i really fancy going to standard airbox but cant with the big breather there...
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Right, Ive ordered all my braiding for the loom and heat shrink to protect the wiring as looking at the state of the old loom i really want to protect this one properly.

The genuine good condition 4x4 loom will be with me shortly.

im going to start to build the engine up on the floor soon, and getwash the bay. while its all out im thinking of a few upgrades, im going to replace all the pulleys on the front, tidy up and paint everything.

im thinking of engine spec, the engine has clearly been rebuilt at some point but will take bottom end as standard, and head (according to advert) has been ported and polished, i will inspect soon.

now im thinking of using an inlet spacer, (any real advantage?) or maybe even an airtec inlet.

i think im going to stick with T34 for now but really push it as hard as poss so i suppose siemens 55s are the injector to go for and get rid of the greys.

should i stay stock cams or upgrade inlet cam? is there any need with just using t34?
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It's best to replace the cams while its in bits incase you decide to replace turbo down the line,

Also test the loom when it arrives to make sure there's no breaks in it
Old 25-08-2013, 05:16 PM
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you not paranoid going to a mt75 box then Rob
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Originally Posted by Jay,
you not paranoid going to a mt75 box then Rob
No mate, when it breaks I will just replace/upgrade. I don't really drive them hard smashing them through the gears like some, I like to get it in hear then apply the boost...
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Originally Posted by gingerturbo
It's best to replace the cams while its in bits incase you decide to replace turbo down the line,

Also test the loom when it arrives to make sure there's no breaks in it
Yes I'm going to buy a tester and test before I shrink wrap/protect it.

I'm sure I will go gt30 eventually. So maybe ab07 inlet cam will be best to put in while its out.
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I'd say so yeh the ab07 is a good cam even though I prefer BD cams

I found the L6 and L8/P8 loom diagrams if you want to use that to help you test your loom
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Why the 4x4 loom to start with? Has more wiring than you will need built in, extra plug connections that will need to be removed if not already done so. I would of used a 2wd loom.

When you build this up will you be running on coil or wasted spark? If on coilpack i would of bought a new loom made for the correct layout and setup to start with. It looks like you want to do things right.

The money you will spend on buying the 4x4 loom + braid and time etc, plus a coilpack sub loom will work out to almost new loom price anyways.
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Right,

I have literally done nothing to this since I got all the bits.

The loom arrived and thanks for the advice Jano. Really all I want to do is go back to how things should be which is why I thought a 4x4 loom would be best as it's what was in there.

I do t even think I'm going to braid the loom now as I want more of a factory look and everyone is saying the braiding just gets covered in oil and looks shitty.

I'm of the opinion that I want to get it all built up with the right bits and then tidy up once it's running, I'm going to spend some time on it this weekend, getting everything planned and ready, I need to inspect the clutches I've got and start painting bits under the bonnet that I won't be able to get to when engine is in.

This car is never gonna be concours and I don't want it to be so fairly pointless going crazy I just want it how it should be, useable, reliable and clean looking.

I am going to get the front and back underneath bits powder coated black though as soon as they are all off and in one big pile haha.

I'm also going to change head gasket before it goes in though I think and give the engine a clean,paint and tidy up.

Would you go for a wrc reinz 4 layer metal gasket with standard bolts?
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Also is there anything to do Inlet wise? Should I get one of them spacers at the very least while it's all out or are they pointless.
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Are you regretting buying this car at all? It would have been a whole lot easier buying a 4x4 one if thats what you really wanted
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That's what I thought!!!! It seems a long way round the houses but I do like this one
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Originally Posted by maxest
Are you regretting buying this car at all? It would have been a whole lot easier buying a 4x4 one if thats what you really wanted
no because it was cheap, not rotten, and a desirable colour. and doesn't have a story attached to it with no history etc

If i wanted another red one then i may have got one for 13k in fairly decent condition.

even with the bits ive bought i still haven't spent that and i know exactly whats under there and gives me a chance to put my own mark on it, and return it to what it should be.

i can see what you guys are saying but its really not that bad of a way of doing it, i just need the motivation to crack on with it thats all.
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For some reason I received the tax reminder for this car? You might want to contact the DVLA and check what they have on record. I am guessing you have got the V5?


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