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Old 12-04-2012, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by OldDan
Looks great! Is there any need silver taping the underside where the exhaust runs? I can imagine it getting very inside the car!
I considered it... but, as Time Attack sessions are only 15-20 mins and there are out laps / in laps / cool down laps factored in to those sessions times as well, I think for now i'll try it without. In all honesty, if the car behaves itself i'd like to give it an underside tart up next winter so can address any temperature issues then!

Good spot on the cage as well


Anyhoo - todays job was to put another crankcase breather take off into the back of the block as the front breather hole is now obscured by the manifold.

So, a core plug was fitted to seal that hole up:
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Hole drilled in the back of the block:
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Tapped:
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Done:
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Then it was time to clearance another intermediate section to avoid fouling the ARP main cap stud and nut kit:
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Quick tidy up with a flash of paint:
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(Speaking of paint - the sump pan got a good freshen up too after last nights welding)
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Then it was time to get everything back together for final build:
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Oh, and if anyone has access to a brand new VVT inlet pulley - please make yourself known
Old 13-04-2012, 06:41 AM
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So i take it your going to keep the vvt?
I'll look forward to see how you get on with that as i know the ports are mahoosive!!! In comparison with even a fully worked blacktop head,
But no one seems to be able to get them to work right??

I had dta control the vvt on an old escort of mine with st170 lump on itb's and it was fine and was a good weapon with 215bhp!!!
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Variable timing is interesting and annoying. Does anyone know of a aftermarket ecu that can control dual variable cam timing?
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Originally Posted by ozmk1cos
Variable timing is interesting and annoying. Does anyone know of a aftermarket ecu that can control dual variable cam timing?
Yes, I know of a couple! They're not cheap though
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Reflashed ecu it is then
What are they out of interest?
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Originally Posted by ozmk1cos
Reflashed ecu it is then
What are they out of interest?
EC3 (The big brother of the ECU i'm using on my car), Pectel T6 2000 & SQ6, Motec M800 - they're the ones i've actually seen dedicated calibration pages in the mapping software for. Sadly for both Pectel and Motec it's not included in the base ECU price, its an 'extra' that'll cost you!
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Sct flash and dolphin can be used to calibrate vvt and custom map
But thats no good if the engine isnt in the origional st170 car lol!
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Just a quick one, managed to get a bit more done today.

Gave the exhaust manifold a good clean out and went final fit with that and the turbo:


Then came the time to reluctantly drill holes in the Jenvey plenum!
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Bosch 3.5bar TMAP sensor fitted:
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Tomorrow will be spent looking into relocating the crank position sensor, the accessibility at the moment isn't great and if I need to change the sensor trackside, I don't really want it to be a complicated job!
Old 16-04-2012, 09:56 AM
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looks good buddy
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Could you relocate it in the bellhousing so it reads off the flywheel Will?
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Loooking good mate
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Looking good will, do you have any of the engine breather pots that you use to do that go on the front of the engine?
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Is that going to seal Will with having the o-ring fully exposed like that?
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I'm guessing the seal is on the copper washer on the outside
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Originally Posted by Miller 3
Could you relocate it in the bellhousing so it reads off the flywheel Will?
Yes, i've sketched up a bracket today that i'll try and get sorted by the end of the week that goes into the back of the aluminium sump section and will still read the back of the flywheel.

Originally Posted by robp-tt
Looking good will, do you have any of the engine breather pots that you use to do that go on the front of the engine?
Yes mate, PM me and i'll sort you out with the one I had earmarked for this engine

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Is that going to seal Will with having the o-ring fully exposed like that?
Yes, there is a tapered flare on the bit that sits into the hole so it will seal on that. Would have been nice to have employed the O ring to do the sealing, however there just isn't enough meat in the plenum wall.
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Just a quick update - drowning in a sea of uni work at the moment - less than a month until final hand ins!

Made a start on the new drive by wire throttle pedal modifications the other night:
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Remote oil filter take off fitted to the block:
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Fittings in wastegates ready for hardlines to be made once the forming tool arrives:
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And my Injector Dynamics ID1000s have arrived:
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What's the deal with the injectors mate, not heard of them before. Assuming they're 1000cc then? Going well there mate considering amount of Uni work, keep it up
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Originally Posted by COCHYN
What's the deal with the injectors mate, not heard of them before. Assuming they're 1000cc then? Going well there mate considering amount of Uni work, keep it up
Yes mate - 1000cc, however, IDs are IMHO the future in injectors. From the factory they're flow tested and matched so that when you buy a set, they ALL flow exactly the same! The spray pattern is maintained between 3bar and 7bar fuel pressure and that pattern is stunning. Most 1000cc injectors strongly resemble a 'cow pissing on a rock', i'd go so far as to say that these have a better spray pattern than most modern standard production cars.

Not cheap though. Over twice the price of a normal set of 4 injectors
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These are probably the future tho as siemens are no longer making the 55lb or the 83lb injectors as there is not enough demand for them :-(
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Id2000's are on my to do list.. As will said the best injector on the market today!

I have the siemens 83lbs at the min running at 4 bar and are great, but there just not quite big enough
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Originally Posted by Miller 3
These are probably the future tho as siemens are no longer making the 55lb or the 83lb injectors as there is not enough demand for them :-(
Everyone will need to change their cosworth ECUs to aftermarket ones then to run ID's then mate as they only make high impedance injectors and the L1/6/8 & P8 ECUs all run low impedance...
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I didnt realize that mate, i wonder what the next replacement injectors will be then?
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Originally Posted by Big Will_
Yes mate - 1000cc, however, IDs are IMHO the future in injectors. From the factory they're flow tested and matched so that when you buy a set, they ALL flow exactly the same! The spray pattern is maintained between 3bar and 7bar fuel pressure and that pattern is stunning. Most 1000cc injectors strongly resemble a 'cow pissing on a rock', i'd go so far as to say that these have a better spray pattern than most modern standard production cars.

Not cheap though. Over twice the price of a normal set of 4 injectors
Simple case of "you pay for what you get" isn't it. Fair play for thinking outside the box once again, interesting to see how these perform

Good luck fella
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Originally Posted by Miller 3
I didnt realize that mate, i wonder what the next replacement injectors will be then?
For webber ecu'd cossies probably Lucas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53JIFCWPQsI
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Neither of them have a very nice spay pattern, but that Lucas seems to have quite a jet as opposed to a nice mist ?!?
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Slow mo spray pattern video from ID:

http://youtu.be/T-SVedHdBAs

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Originally Posted by COCHYN
What's the deal with the injectors mate, not heard of them before. Assuming they're 1000cc then? Going well there mate considering amount of Uni work, keep it up
I have been using the ID injectors since they came out and have been awesome and give a stock injectors feel to the drive,
The 2000cc injectors are very good injectors also and can easily get down to lambda 1 on the last evo I did with them.

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Originally Posted by Big Will_
Yes mate - 1000cc, however, IDs are IMHO the future in injectors. From the factory they're flow tested and matched so that when you buy a set, they ALL flow exactly the same! The spray pattern is maintained between 3bar and 7bar fuel pressure and that pattern is stunning. Most 1000cc injectors strongly resemble a 'cow pissing on a rock', i'd go so far as to say that these have a better spray pattern than most modern standard production cars.

Not cheap though. Over twice the price of a normal set of 4 injectors
why you gone for 1000s Will,bit overkill for the power surely, unless your running e85?
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Originally Posted by turnover
why you gone for 1000s Will,bit overkill for the power surely, unless your running e85?
Future proofing

With the resolution of the ID1000s there's no real downsides to having a larger injector. Just means that if I ever go for more power, the fuel system is ready
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Looking very tidy, what power are you looking at running?
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Originally Posted by gjh
Looking very tidy, what power are you looking at running?
450-480bhp is my goal.

Anything in and around that i'll be happy with for now
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Quick update - things have been a bit slow recently as there was a delay getting some of the remaining parts through and uni work has taken priority...

Anyway, few quick pics.

Brackets for alternator and power steering pump were looking a bit tired:
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So blasted them with glass bead to bring them up:
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Also, made up a crank sensor relocation bracket: (ignore the bolt sticking out - i'm changing it!)
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Finally got the long awaited brand new VVT inlet cam pulley:
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So cracked on to get the cams timed and the belt on:
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Got the new injectors fitted too:


Then got all the new auxiliary belt idlers/tensioners on:
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Made the schoolboy error of giving my old alternator in for exchange on a new one with the pulley still on the end of it... So need to find a pulley and then I can get the belt fitted!

Now on with finishing off the wiring loom:
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Hopefully it's not long off getting fitted into the car!
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Looks well Will
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I have the old alt from my mondeo sat here mate with pulley still attached. You can have it either complete or I can see if my two-legged puller will get the pulley off. Let me know.

Obviously it was on a v6 so let me know what the dims should be and I'll check.

If you need it I can get it couriered to you for tuesday.

Engine looking good!

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looking good
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looking real good Will some very good out of the box thinking .
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Looking good Will! I know the feeling when you have to drill a Jenvey inlet, bit daunting!
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Cheers guys!

Done a bit more on the loom today before bailing home - its far too cold!

Global warming? Very over-rated...

Coil wiring is done:


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As is injector wiring:
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1st class work there
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Looks good will, going o be epic


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