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Old 11-11-2018, 07:48 PM
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2.2 is my guess but could be more


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Originally Posted by turbotrev


Fair play, I know you was only guesstimating.
What boost was full power at? 2 bar?

Cheers Paul
boost setting at peak tq was 2.4bar till 5500rpm then target 2bar till redline.

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Old 12-11-2018, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
Surely boost is just boost no matter what the turbo is? I may be over simplifying it and missing something but I assume that if the inlet tract at 3000 revs is seeing 1 bar of boost then every Turbo would equal the same power at 3000 revs and 1 bar boost? The other factors must be the revs it makes the power at.
Boost is not just boost independently of what turbo it is. Boost is only the measure of pressure in the inlet channel. Together with the inlet temperature this determines the amount of air going into the engine. The inlet temperature is depending on the intercooler, but also on the compressor efficiency. Besides that the back pressure on the turbine side also determines how much ‘effort’ is needed to push the exhaust gasses out of the engine, and how much power is lost by that.
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Originally Posted by Marc sierra


Boost is not just boost independently of what turbo it is. Boost is only the measure of pressure in the inlet channel. Together with the inlet temperature this determines the amount of air going into the engine. The inlet temperature is depending on the intercooler, but also on the compressor efficiency. Besides that the back pressure on the turbine side also determines how much ‘effort’ is needed to push the exhaust gasses out of the engine, and how much power is lost by that.
Ah, Thanks...I had a feeling that there is more to it. Appreciate the explanation. I think Mark Shead said a while back that the EFR did not cause as much heat as some of the older style Turbos which makes sense as there is less friction.
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The midsize efr’s suffer badly from high backpresure so if anything they will run hotter than other turbos as their egts go through the roof.
Hence all the peak power from them is lower down

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Originally Posted by turbotrev
The midsize efr’s suffer badly from high backpresure so if anything they will run hotter than other turbos as their egts go through the roof.
Hence all the peak power from them is lower down

Cheers Paul
Not correct. Back pressure within correct limits. But you do like with any other turbo use the correct one for the job you want it to do.
Dont put on a wrong size turbo and expect it to keep making power when the engine is beond its efficiency band and has to have a bigger turbo to make it work.

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Old 13-11-2018, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead


Not correct. Back pressure within correct limits. But you do like with any other turbo use the correct one for the job you want it to do.
Dont put on a wrong size turbo and expect it to keep making power when the engine is beond its efficiency band and has to have a bigger turbo to make it work.

Mark
I can understand that Mark cheers.
At high rpm are the egts still fine on say the 7064 and 7670 at say over 2 bar of boost?
Even if flat on say a top speed run?
Also do the efrs actually run cooler than other make turbos as Toby sugggested?

Cheers Paul

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Originally Posted by turbotrev


I can understand that Mark cheers.
At high rpm are the egts still fine on say the 7064 and 7670 at say over 2 bar of boost?
Even if flat on say a top speed run?
Also do the efrs actually run cooler than other make turbos as Toby sugggested?

Cheers Paul

Paul here is a log of a car I mapped in Norway on a hub dyno with a 7670 and boost and ebp in absolute pressure and you can see the % between the two also.




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Not gonna lie, I don’t understand that Mark

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Originally Posted by turbotrev
Not gonna lie, I don’t understand that Mark

Cheers Paul
lol. IMO it tells you it’s all good.

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Originally Posted by Mark Shead


lol. IMO it tells you it’s all good.

Mark
Then that’s good enough ha ha.

Im not gonna blag and pretend I know stuff I don’t, if I don’t understand something I will say so.

So do they actually run any cooler??

Cheers Paul


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Originally Posted by turbotrev


Then that’s good enough ha ha.

Im not gonna blag and pretend I know stuff I don’t, if I don’t understand something I will say so.

So do they actually run my cooler??

Cheers Paul
it is considered the max you want is 1.5 times boost pressure is where you should look at more exhaust flow and as you can see it isn’t at that level on that pressure level.
I haven’t noticed and diff in inlet air temp but I haven’t done a back to back test of compressor outlet temp.

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