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Old 06-05-2011, 01:24 AM
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im seriously impressed with this! i would love the skill and money to do something like this
Old 06-05-2011, 06:29 AM
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its a shame your having so many teething problems with getting this car finished car is looking awesome Joel keep up the good work i know its hard to carry on at times but it will be worth it in the end
Old 06-05-2011, 07:15 AM
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You're getting there

All the geek speak about why it isn't running goes over my head

Anyway good luck!
Old 06-05-2011, 07:35 AM
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Read this from start to finish and it is amazing lot of work and hours gone in to it.
Got to admit with out sounding like a perv im in love with a granny
Old 06-05-2011, 08:46 AM
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Looking superb !!
Old 06-05-2011, 08:51 AM
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What BHP is this thing pushing out?? Looks brutal mate!
Old 06-05-2011, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jlawie
What BHP is this thing pushing out?? Looks brutal mate!
at present 0hp it will not start but when it do start last time i read it, it was going for 2010hp
Old 06-05-2011, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by andy escos
at present 0hp it will not start but when it do start last time i read it, it was going for 2010hp
That would be 2011 hp now.
Old 06-05-2011, 09:54 AM
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If i had a hat i would take it off to you sir this car is truly amazing!
Old 06-05-2011, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by andy escos
at present 0hp it will not start but when it do start last time i read it, it was going for 2010hp
Seriously??!?!? Surely your having a laugh!
Old 06-05-2011, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jlawie
Seriously??!?!? Surely your having a laugh!
afaik Joel is using the koenigsegg ccx engine which in it self delivers 806bhp strap two huge turbo,s on to it & you will end up with in excess of 2000hp
http://www.koenigsegg-ccx.info/
Old 06-05-2011, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jlawie
Seriously??!?!? Surely your having a laugh!
No laugh. Each turbo manages 1100 hp..
Old 06-05-2011, 12:05 PM
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This build is staggeringly good
Old 06-05-2011, 12:10 PM
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HURRY UP!

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Old 06-05-2011, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SWR
Slight changes underway.. now the 2000+ bhp turbos are there, piping is sorted, Joel and Ingar have hooked up a gazillion fittings,connectors, custom bits..... and the engine bay now looks like porn. Besides, it has been been shown to the world at the Elmia Car Show in Sweden. Next issue of the Swedish car mag Bilsport will have a HUGE report on it..
Tnx Bjřrn, and dont be afraid to mention that you are one of the very few ppl involved in the build...
Old 06-05-2011, 12:28 PM
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Stick with it lad and don't get downhearted, the best projects always throw up late challenges but that's just to remind you what a special project this has been.

You spent a lot of time and effort on this car,take your time and get the final 1% right

By the way have you considered an elec/fuel/ fire safety systems. I.e. Plumbed in extinguisher system , a lot of one of parts that can't be replaced easily

Rob v
Old 06-05-2011, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jlawie
Seriously??!?!? Surely your having a laugh!
If the ignition system is up to it , i think we will be able to see somwhere around 2000hp yes, the phycical limitiations of the enginestructure is at around 2300hp , so at 2k hp we still have some margin left
But as always in this game....anything can happen, even disasters!! :P
Old 06-05-2011, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
HURRY UP!
Trying to mate, and you keep living up to your PF signature i can tell
Old 06-05-2011, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob Virgo
Stick with it lad and don't get downhearted, the best projects always throw up late challenges but that's just to remind you what a special project this has been.

You spent a lot of time and effort on this car,take your time and get the final 1% right

By the way have you considered an elec/fuel/ fire safety systems. I.e. Plumbed in extinguisher system , a lot of one of parts that can't be replaced easily

Rob v
Tnx for the kind words mate!

I never give up anything i set my mind to

yes it will have a fire ex. system
Old 06-05-2011, 12:57 PM
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Will you be using secure foam? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnyhkBU1yaw
Old 06-05-2011, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Zzz...Zzz
Tnx Bjřrn, and dont be afraid to mention that you are one of the very few ppl involved in the build...
I "only" did the heads, intake, IC piping and connectors, part of the IC, the custom "slider" Wiggins fitting, the cam timing and some other custom/tricky bits and pieces.. nowhere near what the manhours you and Ingar have in it.. You know what issue of Bilsport it will be in?
Old 06-05-2011, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dalton88
Read this from start to finish and it is amazing lot of work and hours gone in to it.
Got to admit with out sounding like a perv im in love with a granny
Thanks mate!
The way I see it there's nothing wrong with loving a granny
Old 06-05-2011, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Zzz...Zzz
Thanks mate!
The way I see it there's nothing wrong with loving a granny
Just like me then. Ive given my car a boys name becauseI like male Escorts
Old 06-05-2011, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jlawie
Seriously??!?!? Surely your having a laugh!
People just dont take Granada owners seriously !!! Why is that ?
Old 06-05-2011, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
People just dont take Granada owners seriously !!! Why is that ?
Because people dont know much about them. We dont see many about properly done. I personally love them but I do wanna see more out on track
Old 06-05-2011, 09:39 PM
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Trust me, this car at full pace on a racetrack will make people take the car(s) serious...there is no other option
Old 06-05-2011, 10:05 PM
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Joel - quick question - are you using a twisted pair of wires with a braided screen over them for your cam/crank sensor?
Old 07-05-2011, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Will Pedley
Joel - quick question - are you using a twisted pair of wires with a braided screen over them for your cam/crank sensor?
hi will i always use a twisted sheid screen cable on cam and crank sensors as on zetecs you can get noise from starter motor and can be a right git to start , if you want some i will send some for free mate

cheers paul
Old 07-05-2011, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by zetaboostboy522bhp
hi will i always use a twisted sheid screen cable on cam and crank sensors as on zetecs you can get noise from starter motor and can be a right git to start , if you want some i will send some for free mate

cheers paul
What do you use Paul? I use Raychem 44 but it's Ł3.70+VAT per metre so can start to get pricy!
Old 07-05-2011, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Will Pedley
Joel - quick question - are you using a twisted pair of wires with a braided screen over them for your cam/crank sensor?
Sorry mate, not entirely shure what u mean by that, but there definately is a shielding problem with the cam wire, and the sensor is just 0-3v , so it's a weak signal that easily corrupts, therefore
I'we decided to replace it with a hall sensor giving a
Much stronger signal, less prone to interference.
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Originally Posted by zetaboostboy522bhp
hi will i always use a twisted sheid screen cable on cam and crank sensors as on zetecs you can get noise from starter motor and can be a right git to start , if you want some i will send some for free mate

cheers paul
Thanks for your kind suggestion
But I will replace the sensor with one that produces as stronger signal and so(I hope) shielding problems should be solved
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You could almost use ignition hightension lead size wires and 230V for the signal and still have problems.. the ONLY way to fix it properly is use RF-shielded wire..
Old 07-05-2011, 01:03 PM
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excellent motor
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Originally Posted by Zzz...Zzz
Sorry mate, not entirely shure what u mean by that, but there definately is a shielding problem with the cam wire, and the sensor is just 0-3v , so it's a weak signal that easily corrupts, therefore
I'we decided to replace it with a hall sensor giving a
Much stronger signal, less prone to interference.
Usually on data and signal cable they are quite often grouped in pairs and then twisted around each other to create the twisted pair. There is then a braided shield over the top which is usually earthed at one end. This protects the cabling from electrical noise created by other components.

See below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=twi...=1600&bih=1064
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Joel - Which ECU are you using? There should be a dedicated ground point for the sensor shield.

I personally use the Raychem 44 stuff on the link below on any inductive sensor I work with, be it a wheelspeed sensor, cam sensor, crank sensor etc.

http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Screened_Cables.html

You terminate the two wires into the sensor as normal, they are pre twisted inside the braid. At the ECU end, the two wires terminate as normal and then the braid is connected to the ECU ground point.

Also, is there a potentiometer inside the ECU that you can use to alter the channel sensitivity to 'turn down' the noise?
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Sounds like a bit of cross talk going on there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossta...electronics%29 .
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Just seen the pics on page 23.This car is mint i love it.
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I use cheap wire I stole from work lol

As long as mag trigger wires are twisted pair and screened, and routed well away from any potential sources of noise ( ie HT leads ) then they should be fine.

But using a Hall sensor like Joel says he has done, can be a better option anyway regardless of wiring.
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will i use a screen twisted pair with foil shielding , its made buy belden and we use shit loads of it on our control panels for mitsubishi plc etc so i have all the off cuts so if want any send me your address and i will send some to you . its one of the best available because of the specs of the panels we build and interferance is a massive problem.

cheers paul
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looking gr8 mate. hope u have more luck then what we had with LS coils, we had nothing but problems with them on our 2JZ, the factory Ford coils are much better.

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