DaveEscos

I think i need to beef up my waterpump. Idle temps rise quite quickly, but on acceleration, drop nicely.. its only on slow driving that they rise in to the mid 90's rapidly. The fans do nothing to reduce this either.. despite BOTH being on

i think i need to step up the waterflow.. is there any upgrade available? or am i stuck with the std pump?



cheers

Dave

*edited to say, Mike you're a blind COONT*

MONSTER

i saw a group A pump for sale recently on flea bay, think it was tf rallysport

don't know what the difference is though

Lee_R21Turbo

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Would it be viable to add an additional electric pump somewhere in the system - you may even be able to get rid of the standard pump.

Just a thought!!!

DaveEscos

i was thinking about that lee also

would still like a decent powered std fit pump though...


any rec's on electric pumps?

bud-weis

mid 90's isn't too bad is it ??

Stu @ M Developments

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Sounds more like the shonky Genuine Ford Stat problem to me. I dont use them anymore because of this problem.

DaveEscos

bud weis... i assume no.. but id rather it sit a bit lower

Stu.. what stat do you use? could you source me one if its a 'trade secret' ?

Turbosystems

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the water pump you have std is massive it is not the pump

Mike Rainbird

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There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that and is completely NORMAL. It is only because you have an accuarte gauge that you can see the temps fluctuation up and down when stationary and as the fans come in and go out. If you look at your OE Ford gauge, you will find that it never strays outside of "norm" when this is happening .

You're wasting your time and money trying to cure a problem that isn't there . IF the temps were not held down by the fans coming in THEN worry .

DaveEscos

ok.. would an inline electric pump help the flow then tony? im assuming slow water flow is the reason for the heat building up quickly.

or possibly the thermostat prob as stu says?

either way, SECS monitor shows 96/7 deg in slow traffic / idling quite quickly


but if i spank it on a clear stretch.. the temp drops nicely to 80

Mike Rainbird

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Dave,
Have you changed the twin stage fans over to single stage yet? .

The STANDARD Escort's second stage fans are not set to come in until 100°C, so this shows that even Ford think what you are seeing is totally acceptable - WRY YOU NO WRISSON ?

Jim Galbally

why are you worrying, my thermostat doesnt even OPEN until past 90

Mike Rainbird

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Jim,
Normally 82°C on an Escort... .

DaveEscos

ok.. strange addition

SECS shows 95 deg


std water gauge in dash shows in the red

Turbosystems

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Dave sounds to me as though you have been cursed by the dinguin

DaveEscos

bastard...


if only he would donate the icy temperatures he often experiences from the arctic!

Nicole

**stu posting**
I diasagree to a degree. (no pun intended)

Ford find 95 ok when dealing with the cylinder head temps of a standard car and also run such high coolant temperatures as it helps with fuel economy due somewhat to thermal effieciency, but i personally prefer a water jacket somewhat cooler after a high temperature run to help combat some of the heat generated and maintain gasket integrity by keeping the pressures down a little . Somewhere in the mid to high 80s is my preference at slow speeds and low 80s at high speed.

Mikes point about the fans is very valid though, the 2 stage ones are garbage. As well as this, you will often find that a standard sensor in an alloy rad means the fans will kick in and almost never go off... more mods.

Mike Rainbird

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Stu,
He ONLY sees these temps when stationary or slow moving, it does go down to the temps you want to see as soon as the car is moving. This is the norm (in my experience) with an RS500 intercooler equipped Escort .

Stu @ M Developments

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Ahh... we have a terminology clash.
I call slow moving.. 40mph

DaveEscos

so do i stu.. and at 30 - 40, i still see higher temps than mid 80's...


but, if i get a clear stretch and plant it.. temps drop instantly to low 80's very late 70's sometimes

so im assuming the problem is speed of water flow around the system?


judging by the pump impellor being relative to engine speed

Mike Rainbird

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Dave,
NO NO NO NO . It is an AIR FLOW problem, your pump runs at 1.3 times engine speed so is PERFECT. At 30mph mid 90s is NOTHING to worry about with an RS500 intercooler sitting in front of your radiator. If you're that worried about it, go back to a standard Escort Cosworth one , as that is the ONLY way you will cure it .

You still haven't confirmed if you have got rid of the two stage fan set up? .

DaveEscos

so tell me mike.. why does my secs read 95ish and my temp gauge in the dash show in the red?

shonky ford gauge?

both take measurements from the head yet? (secs from CTS and gauge from sender just under this)

Mike Rainbird

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Franco

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Even i understand this Dave you Goon..........



Relight that crack pipe bitch & remember puff puff pass!!

Nice info Mike & Stu.

DaveEscos

no, because if my calculations are correct.. the temps im seeing now , will cause the fans to constantly be on

Franco

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Tell me more about this single fan set up then, why do you bin the secondry one??

Franco

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PS Dave, i get the same temps with my 500 cooler...............

If your interested

DaveEscos

brings the fans in earlier than the std temp switch

Mike, can you remind us of the part number again i deleted your text

DaveEscos

its 'puff puff give'


you SPIV!

Mike Rainbird

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FFS, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM . The fans are SUPPOSED to be on when the airflow is insufficient you mongaloid . If you had your fans on single stage, they would keep temps held at no more than a MAX of 93°C and would actually BRING the temps down and just keep cycling on and off. The first stage of the two stage set up is not man enough to do this and the second stage doesn't come in until 100°C . With both fans enabled, problem GONE .

Can I just say - you're a TWAT .

Franco

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My next question was actually going to be Dave..........Do you give or take

Anyway back on topic!!

Can't you get hold of a 80 deg odd thermostat?? If its bugging you that much?

Franco

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That better be aimed at the Maccy D's worker

DaveEscos

Mike... when the fans do come on.. they do feck all to bring the temps down... they remain at 96/7

THATS why im asking these questions


lordy lordy you flimsy blonde haired c'unt!

and that goes for your pocket monkey cock holder Franco too!

DaveEscos

No problem NOT gone

Franco

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Remind me to bitch slap you when i finally meet you!!

Serious Q.

Hopw do you go about the fan changes, do you replace a swith so both fans come on, remove both completely & go aftermarket??

SPEAK FFS!!

Mike Rainbird

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Dave,
Are you REALLY that stupid ? Let me clarify as you obviously do not understand. On the Escort Cosworth it has two fans, only ONE comes in on the first stage THIS IS NOT MAN ENOUGH TO KEEP TEMPS DOWN . THE SECOND STAGE DOESN'T COME IN UNTIL 100°C - are you with me?

If you fit the Sapphire fan switch BOTH FANS COME IN TOGETHER - WHICH IS MAN ENOUGH TO BRING TEMPS DOWN.

Please tell me you have now grasped this?

YOU REALLY ARE A MONGALOID TWAT .

DaveEscos

If you look up from Harveys groin for a few seconds Mike, read the THIRD LINE!


Franco.... do one!

DaveEscos

MIKE YOU COCK! BOTH FANS COME IN AND DONT BRING THE TEMPS DOWN

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and i know EXACTLY how a twin fan set up works on my car you pissflap

Franco

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Mike Rainbird

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So how come this is happening if you HAVEN'T fitted the Sapphire switch?