Anonymous

Clifford concept 650, in box, 150 quid

Barry-argain

Although had to pay another 35 for the window module and im going to get a channel expander as well which is another 50 or so, cant complain though, top product for not a lot of cash

Mr.h.

Fookin good alarm that mate, got it on my s2 cant fault it

Nick

Clare

Chip, Cliffords are cack, esp second hand ones that you have to fit yourself

Anonymous

Clare, its not secondhand, its brand new, and i wouldnt want anyone but myself to fit it.

And cliffords most definately are NOT cack, they are the best alarms on the market.

Mr.h.

Well said mate i think mines the bollox, its feels good to know that my car is safe even when its parked in town or somewhere dodgy

Cola

Ooh I'd disagree on that one. I've had six on six different cars installed by Clifford peeps.

Two broke away from home and I had to get a security specialist out to get me into the thing, three constantly went off and when you did try to disable you just got the HONKER of an alarm.. and the other car was half inched.

Lovely.

Ryan

99% of clifford fuck ups is down to poor installation.

and people blame the alarms, not the fitter

Clare

Some of the parts used in Clifford alarms are the same parts used in the old Spark Right alarms............... luuuuuuuuuuuuuurvley.

You dont hear Toad Customers bitching and moaning all the time like you do with Clifford Customers

Anonymous

Cola, as Ryan says, its not the alarms, they are fucking excellent its the stupid idiots that are mainly repsonsible for fitting them.

You should see the toughness of the latest thatcham approval test, no other alarm im aware of the uk market could actually pass them IMHO.

The only reason things like the Toad ones have thatcham 1+2 still is cause they passed about 5 years ago when the tests were simpler and just keep renewing every year.

Tests like 3 months of vibrating the shit out of the alarm to check for any parts not securely fitted to the circuit board, taking the alarm out of the case and then spraying it with dust and moisture etc, it really is a very vigorous test, not to mention the massive voltages stuck through them.

Also did you know that on a toad alarm you can disable the immobliser by * EDIT, actually its not very resonsible me posting that! *


Clifford are the best alarm on the market by a mile, anyone who says differently either is talking about some badly installed one or simply listening to rubbish from people who dont actually know much about alarms.

Cola

Ryan, I did have mine installed barnd new three times, once by Braybrooks in Hertford, one in Soundstage in Broxborne and one in Xtreme cos they got someone in for me when I was SCREWING! All proper Clifford people. Surely they should be able to do it?!

Anonymous

Yeha. name those parts please Clare and we will see if there is a problem with that?

Unlike Toad alarms (which do share parts with the cheap crap on the market) all the things that matter inside a clifford like the final output relays were all specced by clifford as custom and then i do believe that directed (cliffords parent company) bought out the factory making them so no one else can have the same, as in the past they got stung by their suppliers selling parts specced by them to other people.

Clifford alarms in the UK are also a FAR higher spec than the equivalent US models which dont have to pass the thatcham tests as it means nothing over there.

Anonymous

well demonstrabley they didnt!

One of my best friends works for clifford speccing new units and doing dealer support and trust me most of the dealers are fucking stupid.

Most false alarms for exmaple are cuased by them NOT disabling the manfacturers standard Proximity sensor, and that would happen with any alarm with a Prox as its not possible to get two to operate reliabley in the same space as the signals interfere.

Did you ever get given an explanation of WHY they false alarmed when you took it back to complain?

Do you know how many Concept 650's they have had back from dealer so far that were actually faulty?
NONE - all the dead ones they have had back were instalation faults!

Trust me, they really are a superb product.

Cola

Okay Chip, even if the product is perfect and I have been very unlucky, surely the onus is on Clifford to make sure their recommended installers are spot on?

I mean that's like saying Ferrari have bought out a wicked car in everyone's price range that's just soooo quick.. but it has square wheels!

No point having a quality product if other shite brings it down.

Clare

Chip, is it me, or do you feel very passionately about this subject?

You will NEVER see me pay out my hard earned money on a Clifford alarm, thats my opinion and you aint gonna change it

Anonymous

I agree to a certain extent, and so do Clifford they give pretty detailed training to installers and offer a fantastic amount of backup for them, but sadly like most industries it suffers from twats who think tehy know best cutting corners and not doing the job properly in order to get more done in a week and hence make more money.

Anonymous

Clare, thats fine, you dont have to change your opinion just because someone explains why you should.

At the end of the day, you can lead a horse to water, you can pour a glass of that water, you can grab the horses head and shove the glass in its mouth and pour, then stick your finger up its arse to try and make it gulp, but you cant make it drink, some horses are just too stupid.

Clare

You'll keep

Rich_w

Problem Ive found is that when somebodies installed the Clifford they rush it. They think "ah thats an easy 4 hours Ł600 touch" So even if you say to them. You can keep the car for 3 days if you want. They'll still be fitting it 5 hours before you pick it up. And it will be a "that'll do" situation.

My system kept going off at 5am every morning. Took it back twice "We couldnt fault it so weve set it a bit lower" which really means we've done bugger all!

I personally disconnected (the sensor responsible) in the end. Which defeats the point of paying the extra to have it fitted additionally

RichardPON

Nope.

I had a 600 fitted there when they first came out, and I had nothing but grief.

I then got a very trustworthy and reputable Cilfford dealer to swap the alarm out the Escort and into the saff when I bought it, and he said it was one of the worst installations he'd seen.

I never had a problem with the Clifford after that.

As chip says, nearly all the problems with Cliffords are down to very bad installation - so many people claim to be authorised dealers when they are not - two or three other dealers are selling the units on to mates etc etc.........

It has also saved my cossie from being stolen, as the car was broken into, bonnet opened, siren ripped out, ignition barell attacked, and they still coudn't get past the blackjax.

Experienced it first hand, so that's good enough for me.

Anonymous

Clare, dont you remember when James was isntalling cliffords at streetworks and some Toad installer on CS was trying to rubbish them, so James said to the guy that they would do a challenge, he could bring his best install up and him and James would swap cars and see who could get the other one started first and the guy wouldnt take him up on that, any clues as to why?

He made an excuse that it was just cause he didnt want a customers car getting damaged, so James said fine, he would supply a car for the guy to fit it to, he still declined.

Then James said the guy could come up and if he could manage to get James car started within the afternoon using whatever tools he wanted he could take it away free of charge and the guy STILL declined.

Funny thing is, that guy now fits clifford alarms for a living and now he actually knows something about both products actually realises how wrong he was being about Toad products compared to Clifford in the first place!

(big t cruising or something his name was? ask on CS if you dont beleive me)

Anonymous

PON

Thats the key thing, the immobiliser in the clifford is just SOOO much better than the Toad ones.

I can get round ANY toad alarm immobiliser within a minute of finding the actual alarm unit, where as the clifford ones you actually have to phsyically uninstall them compltely to do it, and if the installer is a nasty sneaky bastard then that could potentially take hours for even an experienced theif, as your car demonstrated perfectly

Rich_w

Chip

I so nearly took the car to Streetworkz. So I could get a second opinion on the workmanship. But couldnt get the time. And of course soon afterwards he shut up shop.

Is he still in game or doing something completely different.

Clare

I havn't used CS for about 3/4 years Chip, so no I dont know anything about the above and to be honest I dont blame the bloke for declining an offer like that from a Chav on a cruising website.

My alarm installer started out by fitting Cliffords, he learnt the error of his ways PDQ and is now one of the biggest suppliers / installers of Toad alarms in the UK.

If people want to use Cliffords thats entirely down to them, I've had the not so great pleasure of seeing a friend get thru a Cat 1 Clifford system in the space of 5/10 minutes, yes that was probably down to poor installation I agree, but that is enough to know my mind is made up.

Anonymous

He was working as one of the head techncial bods at clifford UK, doing stuff like redesigning the alarms for thatcham approval etc, and also doing last line dealer support but he has now left, and pretty much wants nothing to do with cars ever again, lol, and he has just bought an 89 bedroom hotel instead, and is manager of that with his bird.

rs cos

Just got a new clifford g5 on my escort cos, It's very good. Internal and external microwave, full closure elec wind's and sunroof, tilt sensor, blackjax, turbo timer, remote start i could go on. havn't had a false alarm yet

Cola

FP Rich, but mine was stolen after having a Clifford alarm fitted by Braybrooks http://braybrooks.co.uk/ and they're hardly a shoddy co! Had the car for four days to fit so I heardly rushed them.

Horses for courses I guess.

Off now. SEE YOU SAT

RichardPON

Of course - may have to crash at yours if I get horrendously pissed

Anonymous

PMSL
It was james who owned streetworkz, and now owns an 89 bedroom hotel in eastbourne, hardly a chav

Hey, not my fault if the bloke couldnt understand them and had to fit something simpler instead


10 times longer than it would take me to get round a toad one, and yes you are right it was down to instalation that in this instance it was only ten times better, lol!

The truth is that toad alarms are good enough as a deterant if fitted properly, clifford do the same job only a bit better, with a clifford fitted you will NOT get the car started in less than a few hours if its installed properly, with the toad ones though there is a fault with the way the immobilisers work that is open to attack sadly, so you can get round them without having to fully uninstall them like you do a clifford.
If your local alarm bloke doesnt know enough about the way toads work to realise the difference and prefers them cause they are simpler to install then thats fair enough if thats all he is capable of.

Id sooner have a toad alarm fitted by someone who undertstands it than a clifford by someone who doesnt understand it, so for him it was probably the right decision, also i belive the current profit margins are better on toad as they are able to sell the units quite cheap as its about 5 years since they did any real R&D and brought out a new product, so that obviously helps with margins if not with product quality.

Clare

Chip, im sorry I know James is your mate but the dealings I had with him in his early days on CS gave me a very bad impression of his personality and business style. I would never deal with the bloke even if he were still trading.

We'll agree to disagree on the alarm thing, as I have more important things to do

Anonymous

Clare, you should know better by now than to judge someone off a couple of posts on an internet forum

Either way, wether you like James or not doesnt really make any difference to the fact that Toad alarms are out of date and easy to get around compared to a modern clifford though, but we can agree to disagree anyway if you like Horsey

Anonymous

BTW

Any immobiliser on a cossie is a bit of a waste of time, anyone who wants to steal one only needs to pop the bonnet and have a spare ecu and engine loom with them, there are so few sensors to connect that you can have it installed powered direct off the battery and be up the road in 5 minutes flat if you really practice for it!

Phil

iTrader: (1)

Bloody hell what a farce

Right, Chip, you like your Cliffords and thats ok..

Clare, you like your Toads and thats ok as well..

Now can you just shag and get over it please

Anonymous

Sorry mate, but thts not going to happen.
I know I own a ford now, but I do still have SOME standards left.

rs cos

Ooooooooooooowwwwwwww this is going to get nasty! Ding ding round 1

Anonymous

No its not just 1 thats round if you are talking about clare, they both are

Lee_R21Turbo

iTrader: (1)

I've got a Clifford Sabre (about 10-15years old now) - its been installed in 3 21turbos & still works a treat & only false alarms in torrential hailstorms - think I'd false alarm put in the same situation myself!!!!

Cola

B*tch PON, that's cool... loads of space BUT you might end up sharing the front room with Waps

Cola

Ta for that Chip...

Anonymous

Frightening stuff really!

Thats why i liked the 600 series clifford, it had a wireless fuel cut, but even that can be got round by tracing the fuel line along the car and finding it and re-plumbing the fuel lines around it.

Sadly due to problems with a lot of cars having too many relays between the ignition and the wiring for the car itself these proved problematic on a lot of cars and clifford have since stopped implementing it

frog

Chip, what's CS ???