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ive always used uniroyal rainsport3's but ive never had such a high performance car before.....are they up to the job or best with something else, itll be 265 x 30 x 19 on the back and
235 X 35 x 19 on the front..........?
Depends what sort of usage ? I you've been buying rainsports...do you use the car in the wet a lot ?
What budget ?
Everyone who uses the likes of Michelin PSS or PS2's always rants about them ( probably PS4 too ) And lets face it, when many high performance cars come with tyres like that from the factory...they will be pretty good.
Not the sport cups etc though. Last pair of those I tried they were horrific, worse than normal road tyres. Although they'd probably start to work after a few hard laps. For a road car useless though. I've never tried regular PSS or PS2's though.
At the cheaper end, although popular with drifters, these are a good value soft compound tyre, but still retain a sensible tread pattern. As much as there is a lot of love for 888's and the like, I was very disappointed with the recent R888R's. Both grip and tread life was poor, and for a road car that may see wet roads, standing water etc....888's old or new are never a good choice.
Michelin pilot sport 4 seems to get a good rating....I live in Scotland so its often wet....car gets driven hard when I use it and thrashed on the quarter mile strip half a dozen times a year....budget in the region of 600 a set.....
As much as there is a lot of love for 888's and the like, I was very disappointed with the recent R888R's. Both grip and tread life was poor, and for a road car that may see wet roads, standing water etc....888's old or new are never a good choice.
Agree with this - I previously ran Nankang AR1 and thought they gripped better and lasted longer than the R888R I'm currently on. Plus, they had a much squarer sidewall and measured about 10mm wider.
I still run a R888R on the rear of mine but going up a tyre size soon. I drive them all year round/in the the wet too - they don't exactly provide loads of traction but they are safe enough to drive on, and worth it for the dry grip - at least on my car.
bought the Michelin pilot sport 4 S today.....£184 each for the 265 x 30 x 19 and £148 each for the 235 x 35 x 19....getting fitted Wednesday morning …..
that's supplied and fitted at my local tyre place.....I see them for £196 and £173 each online on blackcircles so that's a decent price.
I've always been a fan of Michelin but can't fault a uniroyal rainsport tyre. On the wife's golf they've been amazing, worth the extra road noise for the grip given.
I'd like to know how many people are pushing these tyres to the limits on public roads that they can actually tell the difference! Just watched the video above and the differences between the tyres (apart from the budget) are very small, and that's when a car is being driven by a professional and pushed on a track where the road surface is the same all the way round. I've had loads of different tyres over the years on different types of car and the only thing I've found is that budget tyres are shit! When it comes to every day driving on public roads with all the varying road surfaces we have along with all our wonderful weather, I can honestly say I've never noticed any difference between any of the mid range and premium tyres I've had apart from maybe noise and wear rate.
I had Falkens on my old Mk2 ST and when I did a track day I still managed to keep up with and sometimes pass BMW M3's that no doubt had more premium tyres on. My current 330D has Falkens on the back and they're absolutely fine with everything I've thrown at them, plus they seem to be lasting forever which is really surprising considering I've got 673nm at my disposal!
Having said all that, if you do have a high power car and are serious about track days then I can see tyre choice being quite important.
One thing is for sure though - what ever driving you do, budget tyres are just not worth the risk - they are shit. Whenever I buy tyres I always try to buy the best I can afford and look out for the deals.
cheap tyres are horrendous in anything slightly damp , my works vans all over the place in the rain with probably about 80 or 90 bhp!
I bought my old A210 evo with cheap tryes on it....changing to rainsport3's totally transformed the handling inspiring confidence in the corners .
this will be the most expensive tyres ive ever bought so ill see how they compare to the nexens that are currently on the car. if im not feeling much difference ill buy mid range next time.
does the Costco price include fitting or are they supply only?
I'd like to know how many people are pushing these tyres to the limits on public roads that they can actually tell the difference! Just watched the video above and the differences between the tyres (apart from the budget) are very small, and that's when a car is being driven by a professional and pushed on a track where the road surface is the same all the way round. I've had loads of different tyres over the years on different types of car and the only thing I've found is that budget tyres are shit! When it comes to every day driving on public roads with all the varying road surfaces we have along with all our wonderful weather, I can honestly say I've never noticed any difference between any of the mid range and premium tyres I've had apart from maybe noise and wear rate.
I had Falkens on my old Mk2 ST and when I did a track day I still managed to keep up with and sometimes pass BMW M3's that no doubt had more premium tyres on. My current 330D has Falkens on the back and they're absolutely fine with everything I've thrown at them, plus they seem to be lasting forever which is really surprising considering I've got 673nm at my disposal!
Having said all that, if you do have a high power car and are serious about track days then I can see tyre choice being quite important.
One thing is for sure though - what ever driving you do, budget tyres are just not worth the risk - they are shit. Whenever I buy tyres I always try to buy the best I can afford and look out for the deals.
I think the M2 being a well balanced and great handling car is doing some of the tyres more justice than most other cars would, if you’ve never felt the difference with tyres fair enough but I certainly have but admittedly doing faster than legal but who cares. I like rainsports on a daily as I had 3 months of bad snow at my house and they where superb aswell as being usable in summer.
I must be one of the odd ones out as I never got on well with rainsport 3s, I know its a great tyre rated for damp and wet conditions but I felt its where it should only operate as I found on dry and hot days its compound very soft and wears super fast and also when putting down the power actually got chunks of rubber flying of them, so for me its a bad weather tyre only, for a all season tyre the Michelin PS4 has delivered everything I wanted from a tyre and thats driving like miss daisy to nailing it with good power & torque in all weathers
the Michelins are getting fitted today at 9 , rainsports is all ive ever bought in the last few years for my cars so ill be able to compare...I think the next question is whats the best dry weather sticky quarter mile tyre? I might keep the original alloys and put track tyres on them......
Amazed you can get decent tyres with correct speed rating that cheap for an AMG. Mine were always over £1000 for 4 with Michelin or contis to correct spec and I thought tyres had gone up...maybe it’s more competitive.
do make sure you have correct speed and load as if not you are not fully insured...I know a chap who had an insurance pay out voided.
I think theyre a speed rating Y......says online that's up to 186 so I should be fine ! id argue the speed rating was likely irrelevant to voiding a payout unless you were doing 187 when you crashed !
end of the day I went into a specialist for tyres for a c63 and these are what they sold me so if my insurance didn't pay out it would be theirs getting the hit !
I think theyre a speed rating Y......says online that's up to 186 so I should be fine ! id argue the speed rating was likely irrelevant to voiding a payout unless you were doing 187 when you crashed !
end of the day I went into a specialist for tyres for a c63 and these are what they sold me so if my insurance didn't pay out it would be theirs getting the hit !
If someone claims their insurance didnt pay out over tyres fitted....unless they were some ling ling bullshit. They're probably telling porkies somewhere along the line, either that or whoever was dealing with whatever claim, is a bit of a fool and loves getting lubed up.
If someone claims their insurance didnt pay out over tyres fitted....unless they were some ling ling bullshit. They're probably telling porkies somewhere along the line, either that or whoever was dealing with whatever claim, is a bit of a fool and loves getting lubed up.
Getting out of what though ? Unless they did something utterly idiotic ( ie like those scene wankers do ), what on earth tyres could cause insurance to attempt not to pay out ?
When they pay out to assholes who drive into fucking rivers/floods etc....how on earth could they ever use tyres as an excuse not to pay out unless it was a massive problem ?
as long as your tyres rated up to 70mph or you weren't doing more than your tyre ratings when you crashed I can see how that can be used to void a payout but we all know how snidey the insurance snakes are so it wouldn't surprise me
The chap I know spun a Supra on the M25 and crashed. It went to court with him lawyered up and the insurance failed to pay the claim as they said the tyres were not correct spec.
Porsche used to have to have N rated tyres to denote they were designed for Porsche use, one insurance company insisted you had to have them to be covered.
From the RAC site (They tend to be the trusted source that the Media go to when legal things are discussed)
You can find your tyres' speed rating on the sidewall of the tyre as shown in the image.
You will find it at the end of the tyre's size (the list of numbers on the tyre's sidewall) always represented by a letter and usually following a number - in the following example the tyre speed rating is "V".
Being aware of your tyres' speed rating will allow you to determine the maximum speed your tyre is capable of safely maintaining, for more information about tyre safety, read our comprehensive tyre safety guide here.
A one-letter difference in speed rating equals as much as a 10km/h difference in speed rating.
The system is based around the European use of kilometres, which is why speed ratings in mph are at such unusual increments. The difference between each letter is around 6mph.
Speed ratings are achieved through tests performed by engineers who run the tyre at 6.2 mph steps, in 10 minute increments, until the required speed has been met.
Wider, larger-diameter tyres often have a higher speed rating as they are usually fitted to higher-performance cars therefore, are typically designed to cope with higher speeds.
Z-rated high-performance tyres are rated for speeds in excess of 149mph. Confusingly, W-rated tyres are rated at a higher speed in excess of 168mph.
Y-rated tyres are rated in excess of 186mph. See the full list below.
Tyre speed ratings should be matched to the official top speed of your car. If you fit cheaper, lower-speed-rated tyres, it could affect your car insurance.
Some tyre organisations offer vehicle registration number (VRM) tyre-finder services, which will automatically choose the correct tyres, with the correct speed rating, for your car.
I think the key word is COULD. I have done some silly things in cars, mainly when I was younger but we all make mistakes, If we did do something mad like we might allow ourselves to do in an awesome weapon of a car like the AMG then we may give the ins co a way to wiggle out...therefore I would go correct tyres.
My little Twizy had 1 winter tyre on the front...I expect that would have been an issue in a hot weather shunt that was my fault if skidding was a factor? I only noticed it when it washed out the front on a fast roundabout.
thing is there seems to be nothing covering the top 3 ratings.....W , Y and ZR all cover my car but the owners manual states ZR....above 149.....the Y I have covers up to 186.....
initial impressions are great grip in the dry and also very good in the wet.....way more confidence inspiring than the old nexens…….the Michelins seem a bit snappy though......the nexens felt the grip progressively going......the Michelins are holding well then snap and theyre suddenly away...… all then suddenly nothing and by the time they do let go your fairly shifting and can catch you out suddenly !
That is probably the way the car is supposed to be. When driving porker gt3’s on track I found they and other similar cars did the same...the more grip the more sudden the breakaway. Low grip tyres seem to scrub earlier and more progressively but at lower levels.
14-07-2019, 05:25 PM
recommended tyre for 500bhp RWD....
