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Hi all, it's time for me to get a newer daily motor. I am interested in a 2016 Focus estate with the 1.0 3 cylinder petrol Ecoboost engine. My current daily has been a 2.0 16v Renault Laguna estate and I am wondering if power wise the smaller ford engine will be comparable? Has anyone got a Focus the same and if so how do you find it? I know it is turbo charged but I am still worried it may feel under powered.
I've to say it goes very well... Was a bit shocked about the 5w20 sticker. Would go for an oil with higher heat protection like ...w40. Read something about the recall, too.
Last edited by Cossiemainful; 27-05-2019 at 01:20 PM.
You'll find them surprisingly nippy given the size of motor.
Have heard of them failing due to a coolant hose failing, there has been a recall as far as I'm aware.
Thing is most look at displacement and nothing else.
It was the Cosworth that was the first production car to produce more than 100 HP per litre when launched and though common place now, here is a run of the mill model that can do it.
As near as makes no difference in 125 HP guise, this is as powerful as the most powerful Focus (i.e. 2.0) MK1 Focus when launched.
You'll find them surprisingly nippy given the size of motor.
Have heard of them failing due to a coolant hose failing, there has been a recall as far as I'm aware.
That was only on the very early ones - the design was changed not long after and should have been taken care of with the FSA as you say.
I've got a Fiesta Zetec S with that 125PS 1.0t engine in it and it's pretty perky! it generates a nice line of torque which I would imagine will help the slightly larger Focus.
Thing is most look at displacement and nothing else.
Isn't there an old saying 'theres no replacement for dispacement'?
Personally, I think all these small capacity 3 cylinder engines are very impressive, but the way I see it is that these small engines will have to work a lot harder and so the components must be under more stress than a larger capacity engine to produce the same amount of power and torque. Here's an example - now before you all pipe up saying you cant compare the two as they are wildly different, this is merely an example to show how hard different engines have to work.
So on a recent trip to Spain I hired a car and got a Citroen C3 that had a small 3 cylinder petrol engine that was absolutely gutless. To get it to really do anything you had to work it quite hard and cruising at about 80mph on the motorway it was pulling something like 4000rpm. It wasnt that great on fuel either, only averaging about 47mpg over the four days I had it. Most of the driving was motorway as well. Now my own car is a BMW 3 series that has a 6 cylinder 3ltr diesel engine in it. To get this moving requires very little effort thus putting little stress on the components, and cruising at around 80mph on the motorway only requires around 2000rpm so again there is very little stress on the engine. Motorway driving will also easily return 50+mpg as well. So the way I see it is that my big 6 cylinder diesel is just as frugal as all these little 3 cylinder petrol engines and has to work no where near as hard meaning that ultimately it 'should' be far more reliable.
How many of these small 3 cylinder engines do we think will still be around in ten years with 150 - 200k on them? I'm betting not many without considerable sums of money being spent on them. Now that's probably just jinxed my car now and it'll probably break down this afternoon!
Like I said, I think these small engines are very impressive for what they can do, but looking long term will they last?
As they haven't been around that long, there aren't loads out there with big miles, but there is a 1.0-litre Focus on Auto Trader with 160k on it, so they can't be that fragile. In reality, even bigger engines aren't immune to issues. To use BMW as an example (as you mentioned them), their diesel models have had issues with timing chains, swirl flaps, turbos and various other things. Many diesels from the mid noughties had plenty of problems, as OEMs were starting to explore ever higher fuel pressures, DPFs, EGR and all that business. I've seen inside the 1.0-litre EcoBoost and it's a beautifully engineered bit of kit. Cars have come a very long way in recent years, so no reason why a well-maintained one shouldn't last.
The whole "no replacement for displacement" business is just American for "we can't make engines"
I have test driven the one I am now buying and I am well pleased with how it performs. It really feels pretty nippy for such a small engine but that is thanks to the turbo. It's a one owner October 2013 registered with 9057 miles only on it. It drives like a new car and at Ł9500 I think it's a good value practical Estate. It,s the Titanium model with all the extra's and in Frozen white similar to my diamond white Saff. Given the low miles I am hoping it should give me many years of use. Thanks for all the comments.
I'll be interested to hear how you get on with one of these. I was thinking about getting one to replace our MK2 focus 1.6 eventually when the time comes.
I'll be interested to hear how you get on with one of these. I was thinking about getting one to replace our MK2 focus 1.6 eventually when the time comes.
I will give you an update once I have used it for a while.
We have a few 1 litre turbo petrol Peugeot partner Van's at work. They bloody fly. I used to have a 2.5 by mk3 mondeo and I bet the van would of nacked it.
I am picking it up next Tuesday Glenn and with only 9057 miles on it for me it will be like getting a new car but at a fraction of the cost.I don't need a powerful car as my daily but from the test dive it did impress me how well it pulled through the gears and the brakes, gearbox and steering are spot on. It felt better than my 2.016v Renault Laguna Estate and with only Ł30 a year road tax and better mpg it should save me money as well.
Not this one Glenn, it will just be my daily and stay standard. Iv'e got my Saff for my speed fix!! I am going up to Mallory Park this week-end for the Classic Ford show so the Saff will get a good run.
Hi Glenn, got back today from the week-end up to Mallory Park. It was a good show with plenty of proper classic Fords on show. A very nice location with a big lake in the middle with the track around the outside. What was different from last years Santa-Pod Classic Ford show was all day track action just for classic Fords. Well it would have been all day but unfortunately it started to pour with rain about 1.00pm and that bought an early end to everything. In the dry time there were lots of tasty cars on track including Mk1& Mk2 Escort's,Fiesta's, Anglia's,Capri's,3 doors, Sapphire's, Cortina's and Mustangs. My Saff did over 300 miles and did'nt miss a beat all week-end. This RS2000 is a beast with over 500 bhp and was on the Classic Ford magazine stand. Modern engine turbo power in the XR4i The car the engine is in. Lovely looking RST With Cossy Power! Plenty of Escorts. This V8 Anglia was on track, it went well and sounded nice. MK2 Lotus Cortina like the one I had. Another nice RS2000 Zephyr MK2 ute. Not many Corsair's around any more. MK3 Cortina Ford Pop hot-rod. Cossy engined Capri. Unusual MK1 Cortina estate Very tasty 3 Door. 1960's Mustangs.
I'll be interested to hear how you get on with one of these. I was thinking about getting one to replace our MK2 focus 1.6 eventually when the time comes.
I picked it up on Tuesday and so far I am very pleased with it. It has got a suprising amount of power for such a small engine and the 6 speed gearbox is very positive and easy to use.The brakes are really good and so is the handling .Being the Titanium model it's got all the extra's and having only done just over 9000 miles it feels like a brand new car. It will be good on petrol as for instance when you are in a 50mph speed limit in 6th gear it is only doing 1500rpm!!! The only strange thing for me to get used to is the automatic stop/start mode which stops the engine when you have the handbrake on at traffic lights etc. The first time it happened I was'nt expecting it and thought there was something wrong and it had conked out!! I am not sure if it can be switched off but if it can that is what I will do.I have done a proper clean on it and every bit is now like brand new and polished up. Seems like a great car and I am glad I bought it.
26-05-2019, 08:06 AM
Focus 1.0 Ecoboost 3 cylinder petrol engine.
