R4N SS

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I need a clutch in my latest build and it will be over 400 (hopefully) on both bhp and torque.

It will be driven very hard and lauched at every given opportunity and will also do a few trackdays.

So what clutch is best one to get, why, how much and where from?

Been a while since i bought one and the prices have shot up

ajamesc

AP 6 paddle with heavy duty cover will be abuse proof

costina

iTrader: (1)

Helix 5 paddle and cover in mine with 400 of both

Got mine from Matt Lewis

costina

iTrader: (1)

Remember to have your flywheel refaced.

cossynut2

Helix 6 paddle and cover, lightened flywheel,got mine from Reyland.

Ridgey

iTrader: (5)

As above Helix 6 paddle.

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

already got a lightened flywheel so looks like a Helix 5/6 paddle will be on order then

cossynut2

Are you going hydraulic on your clutch?

Caddyshack

You certainly want to on that clutch cover. The Cossie should have been hydraulic all along really.

ajamesc

My ap never let me down with 500bhp loads of launch control launches as well. I then sold the clutch to little dan from Basingstoke who had it re-lined used my old cover and abuses the Fook out of it every time he drives his thing lol great clutch

cossynut2

It makes a big difference, much better than the cable operation.

Martin-Hadland

iTrader: (2)

AP covers vary in clamp load, the early type was a bit like the Helix but newer ones are no where near the same. I'm sure they quote around a torque figure of 350lb

Caddyshack

I have your Helix hi torque one and it seems excellent, you do need your hydraulic conversion on it though to be comfortable in stop start traffic.

Adam-M

Do you sell clutches Martin? Or if that breaches trader rules do you know if that mob called reyland sell clutches lol

R4N SS

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still running cable at the moment.

Will have a look at changing it to a hydraulic clutch later down the line - for now i just want it on the road. Got the AA card at the ready

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

I previously had an Alcon 6 paddle clutch with a standard cover in my old moonstone 3dr running a harvey gibbs 400/400 engine and i abused the total crap out of it and it took it all day long but i cant seem to find alcon for sale anymore.

I previously found AP clutches to be quite hard on the pedal hence opted for Alcon.

Caddyshack

Yes, he sells covers and clutches, I bought mine from them

Adam-M

Wasn’t sure if he still does as reyland used to do lots with cossies but now mostly focus’ on brake kits.

cossynut2

Have faith in your build, I never go out worrying if my Saff is going to break down, just enjoy driving it!!

Caddyshack

I bought one not long ago from him

Mad_Mat

I run the ap 6 paddle with a standard cover with no problems at all but i am running less power at 360. You can get the Ap 6 paddle plate from Burtons.

costina

iTrader: (1)

This is why I opted for the helix clutch ap don't have a high torque figure unless going to a multi plate type.

A hydraulic clutch is a must I agree but I don't like the idea of holes in the bulkhead.

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

I have faith but I also like to drive it very hard with zero mechanical sympathy - if it breaks then fix it to be better and stronger

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

looks like a helix clutch needs to be ordered

AJC

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I must be the only person to not have a good experience with Helix

cossynut2

Maybe I have been lucky as mine gets thrashed a lot! Prepare it to a high standard and it should'nt let you down. I think its a myth that Cosworths are fragile and unreliable.

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

It is a myth as any car that is properly maintained and built will be reliable. My old moonstone 3dr was great as once the Harvey Gibbs engine was in we never had to take it apart and it took 5 years of abuse and track days

Caddyshack

Totally agree, the problem is that people with little money or not prepared to pay out for them got in to Cosworths and expected to go from 200 bhp to 500bhp with little more than winding up some boost, they then wondered why they broke 4x4 gearboxes etc and I suspect some of the maps were shoddy plus the cars are now old and need some new service parts, better gaskets and all the other bits.



If you run big power you need good intercooler etc...

ajamesc

They can definitely be reliable who follows Johnathan on Facebook? 700bhp saff road car he takes it to the strip kicks it’s head in running low 10 second quarters at 140 ish terminal so a fooking quick car as it’s on road tyres and fully trimmed. Then go’s home lol. Right bits built right

Caddyshack

I would like to look him up, Jonathan who? Sounds a nice car to check out

cossynut2

That sounds like the ultimate Saff!!! He must have some serious fun in it!!

Caddyshack

Yeah, that and Rods...I hope that one finds a new home and gets developed.

ajamesc

Shocking what that’s up for now last time I was at marks picking up my gearbox I asked about it and he told me. In my head I was thinking if I sold all my bits my motorbikes and took half my savings I could buy that or put in a serious offer I then thought right stop thinking like that I’ll get tempted lol

Caddyshack

What price can it be bought for? I am not really in to fords that much but the history is worth a lot

ajamesc

35 grand I’m sure mark said there after now

Caddyshack

That is sooooo cheap for the history and all the work and money that has gone in to it.

cossynut2

Not much more than the cost of a new Focus RS!! I know which one I would have, the Saff for sure!!

Caddyshack

absolutely and I doubt it will go down in value.

It would make sense for Ford or one of the big brands to buy it and use it for promotional work.

I asked the MRS but she is not keen on another car at home having just got shot of one off the drive, she said I would have to sell my little Gti or the 944

ajamesc

You need a small lock up she don’t know about lol

Caddyshack

Good idea!

Oddly there is a new industrial unit down the road from my house, the rents are not huge but you get hit with rates etc.

I really need a larger office so something with a big unit below would be great.