james kiely

iTrader: (5)

looks like fun

Caddyshack

Wonder if they will do mt75?

james kiely

iTrader: (5)

isnt opplinger doing one toby i think

Caddyshack

Really, is it in production? I have the oppliger box and short shift but the short shift seems to have bent the 4th gr selector fork as it regularly jumps out of 4th, I have just been slow to send back to Bara to be fixed as have been enjoying the car, would be great if romain is doing one.

ajamesc

I’ll be up grading my big tooth box when mines driving again. I like the idea of something like this if it handles big torque

james kiely

iTrader: (5)

it bolts straight to the box andy ,so depends on what you have fitted already

someone said to me its about 1800 squids

ajamesc

Yeah that’s the problem I don’t think my box will hold up hopefully another option will come up.

james kiely

iTrader: (5)

when the time comes i hope to fit one to my tko.it all depends on the chances of it being too fast for syncros

Caddyshack

I wouldn't want to ruin my oppliger box, it cost over Ł5k all in

1800 sounds like you are repaying some of his development costs, I expect that would fall over time.

Adam-M

Looks an awesome bit of kit

Turbo Zetec

iTrader: (1)

Saw something similar to this about 10 years ago at autosport. It was a rotating barrel with grooves in it that moved the selector forks (much like a motorbike, but from the outside). Clever bit of kit, lets hope they catch on.

gcfcos

I’d love one of those but the price is eye watering

stevieturbo

Price on their website is around $2600 ?

And that's only the shifter, no gear display, and no load cell if you wish to use it in conjunction with your ecu for flat shifting ( which will also need a dog box of some sort as doing it on synchros....wont last long )

Cool product though, and I doubt the price will come down anytime soon, seeing as this is pre-production with units not expected til 2018.

Maybe in 5 years the price will come down lol

smiley

Looks a great bit of kit for a track car total ball ache in a road car up up up up down down down fuck that in traffic reason i didnt bother with my opligger

pectelboy

I run a elite sequential on my cossy powered mk2 , and it's a road car , it's not that bad on the road but noisey, but it's great when you push it through the gears so can see why people would want one , I would

stevieturbo

Quite true...but for sake of a few bolts, something like that could give the option for both.

Race day, switch to sequential operation. For road, back to H, just swap the shifter.

smiley

Very good point steve

The Youth.

iTrader: (1)

But surely on a standard T5 you are going to have to press the clutch aswell as the move the shifter as the gearbox internals havent changed
totally negates the need for sequential shifter surely ?


steve

Caddyshack

It is still a quicker shift even if you are dipping the clutch, it is also novel, fun and interesting. Odd that car manufacturers have always kept an h pattern.

Adam-M

Also less chance of missing a gear change and damaging a selector fork, been there done that lol.

james kiely

iTrader: (5)

less chance of going from 2nd to 1st instead of 3rd .

this is what i done in my escort track car and jumped the belt and bent the valves .only a zvh though.

if it was on a big money cossie engine i would have been sick lol

Caddyshack

It cost me Ł6000 when my friend wrong slotted my 911 with 915 gearbox, he changed hard at around 120/130mph from 4th to 5th, it actually went in to 3rd and buzzed the top end of the engine, pretty much all the valves met all the pistons. He was at fault when borrowing my car but he could not afford to fix it....he made it all right again when he had his own body shop, I got a few free resprays out of him.

james kiely

iTrader: (5)

exactly toby

it can happen very easily mate .lets face it a t5 is hard enough to find gears at the best of times lol

stevieturbo

Whilst true....with a sequential shifter, you then need to remember not to go for an H movement....ie dot hit a downshift when you were aiming for another upshift. So risks still apply.

There are pros and cons either way. It should be impossible to mis-shift a sequential, but it can be done. And in some respects there stands more chance of damaging forks etc as you might try and ram gears faster with such a shifter as there would be slightly less feel under hand as to whether it wants, or doesnt want to go into gear.

And manufacturers would never offer a mechanical setup like this, as it would be a ballix in normal daily driving, forcing you to go through every gear to get to one end or the other.
It's often nice with an H just to drop it into neutral approaching lights in traffic etc, or just miss the occasional gear when going up or down.

smiley

Did that at santa pod on for a good time too nearlly went through the windscreen

grcossie

Can`t be a goode combination whit helicut gears and normal syncro rings. This kit for mt75 looks interesting http://www.sqsracing.com/files/fs_fi...ial-pic_53.pdf

james kiely

iTrader: (5)

good shout steve

i dont think i could ever live with it in a road car

stevieturbo

Mine is just a converted "dog" box...and TBH on the road I really fucking hate it. There's no issue changing gear as such, it just makes everything a horrible clunky bastard most of the time.

Those times when you can drop into neutral are wonderful ! lol. To have to run a sequential....it almost doesnt bare thinking about. At least not on my car.

That said, due to the horrible 4-linked rose jointed live axle on mine...and huge heavy propshaft, those things also exacerbate any nastiness.

When I've a synchro box in the car, it truly is a transformation. That very small amount of slack in engagements the dogs offer, really makes a huge difference on the road to smoothness etc. Synchros are smooth, quiet...dogs are not.
If you'd a much tighter drivetrain, maybe FWD etc, things may not be so bad though.

I currently need a stronger box and had seriously been considering a proper sequential for the performance benefits it could offer...but I'm coming to the conclusion no matter how it might help, I dont think I could live with it in the car given how much I hate my dog box.

That said....I could still consider a sequential shifter at some stage with a new synchro box. At least if I didnt like it, it'd be an easy removal via 4 bolts, although obviously it wouldnt see the full benefits of sequential operation on a synchro.
But I like others, have had the wonderful experience of finding 1st instead of 3rd, and have the destroyed diff and CWP to attest it isnt a good thing.

jessie_rs

hes been doing them for a while. I had a 5 speed short sequential and currently have 2 of his 6 speed sequentials

turbotrev

I love the idea of this shifter, my only concern is at high revs and it being a quicker gear change than normal will the synchros actually handle it?
Or are they just gonna get damaged?
Prob fine on a standard ish engine but if your rev limit is 8k plus would it work as well??

I love the engineering of it though, is it just clever mechanical internals doing the shifting?

Cheers Paul

Caddyshack

Surely you have his sequential boxes and not the oppliger long box mt75 that I have? Are yours truevsequential boxes or sequential shifters on h pattern boxes, it's a big difference.

Oppliger has not released a 6 speed mt75 as far as I am aware although he was suggesting one. Mine is my75 long box h pattern close ratio.

stevieturbo

It can only shift as fast as your hand and gearbox allows. It's still all down to your hand etc.

It's just a mechancial setup that changes the fore/aft motion into the motions required to move the box into each gear, via various cams etc.

There was a nice video on youtube where a college student made his own for his Mini, cant seem to find it though. It had good drawings, computer images and ran through getting the parts all cut out etc. Cant seem to find it though

stevieturbo

At the pricier end of shifters, for paddle shift on any box, these guys can adapt.

But with air controlling it, yes there is more chance here of "beating" the synchros and causing damage.

smiley

Im sure ive seen the 6 speed advertised on his ebay about 8k

Ridgey

iTrader: (5)

Exactly.
About as much use as a chocolate fire guard when you can beat the gears with the H pattern.
It ain't going to turn the box into grease lightening changes
All the disadvantages and no advantages.


On a different box it maybe great....

jessie_rs

Yes true sequentials dont mess around with H patterns. He released the 6 speed last year.

turbotrev

But on the other hand why develop and produce this shifter for a box thats know to be a little sluggish at changing gear fast??

Is it because they are all on muscle cars that don’t necessarily rev that high?

Cheers Paul

stevieturbo

They have not developed the shifter specifically or solely for the T5, but it is also available for a T5.

There are tons of them out there, not all are standard and it's another huge market. So why not ? Not all of them will retain the crappy synchros, not all will be high revvers, not all will use clutches that are less friendly to fast shifting

cossynut2

What gearbox set-up did Ford use on the rally Saffs and the RS500 race cars? Surely they had something which made gear changing smoother and quicker? The T5 is a strong box but has always been less than perfect especially changing up from 2nd to 3rd at high revs.

stevieturbo

Probably some dog engagement gears ?