Fullflush

Golf R's are by a mile the best car in that sector of the market

The Crocodile Hunter

In all fairness that fast one is not really relevant to 99.9% of them.

Isn't a golf r basically the same thing as an s3? And an rs3 is a step up again?

It's Czech Mate

Almost up to the standards of a mk4 diesel gti

Martin-Hadland

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I'm surprised at the negativity towards Audi's, the wife's car is a B8.5 3.0 A5 Quattro Convertible which we have owned for a couple of years and its been perfect, a really well screwed together car in our experience.

Glenn_

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Not what the mag thinks.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fo...-r-vs-audi-rs3

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-rev...ar-march-2016/


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...lf-r-twin-test

It's Czech Mate

The trouble with the RS is that the seats are too high, the cabin is plain nasty and theres a lot of them with faults.........and the deluded owners think they're still worth Ł30k despite the fact they aren't limited in numbers.

i'd have one for a weekend car but i couldn't live with one daily. And then if it was just for the weekend there's a lot better/more fun places to stick your Ł30k

Glenn_

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Without driving one myself i wouldnt like to think what they are like to live with.

Ive never sat in one ether so i dont know what the driving postiton is like.

gcfcos

Probably because they've become some sort of status symbol for the sort of people that everyone loves to hate. I think we as a rule have become totally obsessed with status when it comes to cars. I met a girl the other week who had broken down in her Audi (only a puncture I might add) and she pays some astronomical amount on finance every month to have this car and she said she struggles to afford it and I said why do u have it then? Her response of "well all my mates and work colleagues have them" said all I needed to know!

The Crocodile Hunter

I think that pretty much sums up society today really.

Most people who think like this wouldn't be seen dead in a Seat Ibiza over their A1 when ultimately its exactly the same thing. Its just perceived image.

Don't get me wrong, they also make some lovely cars such as the quattro 3L A5 mentioned above but the vast majority of people aren't interested in any of that and its all about the image

Martin-Hadland

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Blinkered view in my opinion, we bought ours because we like the look of it and not because we want to stick it to the neighbours. We only ended up buying the one with the bigger engine as the 2 litre we test drove was gutless.

Gazzonator

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That's the way it should be, you buy the car because you like it

Unfortunately a lot of people that I talk to who drive Audi/BMW/Mercedes etc only buy them because of what badge is on the thing! I went out to one lady with a rusty old Mercedes CLK say to me that she could never own anything less than a Merc because of what people might think! The thing was literally falling to bits but it's ok because it's a Mercedes!

Glenn_

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Badge snobs lol.

Some people want these cars cause they like them and others buy these cars to show off imo.

Years ago i used to see young lads in fiestas,clios corsas. Now there in Audis bms and mercs. I wish i could of afford to own or pay finance (more like it) to drive about in these posh cars.

I remember going to silverstone classics and i walking into the BMW oc stand. They had a posh tent up with facts about the cars. One of them members got talking to me about cars. He asked if i owned a bmw and i said no i own a saff cossie. He just turned round and walked away from me.


Anyway as said before we are way off topic now. The thread was about a bm vs focus st.

gcfcos

You could be right there mate but the people who are buying certain cars they can I'll afford just to "keep up with the joneses" are the sort I was thinking about. Like my neighbour with the Range Rover who can barely afford to put Chinese ditch finder mis matched tyres on it as in her words "I loved it when I put on Facebook our new car, people were so jealous". SAys it all really

Martin-Hadland

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You're basing this on a few individuals not everyone, I'm guessing most who buy just want a high quality car that they like the look of that's properly screwed together.

Martin-Hadland

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Hahaha!! You'd get that reaction off anyone, he prob thought you were a taxi driver.

burnzy

Says the bloke with a lambo do you even have neighbours?

Glenn_

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A fookin fast taxi driver ha ha.

I would defo own a Audi RS4 the 54 reg shape. Could i afford to maintain it. Probably not.

I would defo own a Evo8. Could i afford to maintain it. Probably not.

I would defo own a C63 amg merc. As above lol.

So yeh i will stick with my donkey fords which i can afford to maintain and repair myself.

gcfcos

Just basing it on my own personal experience truth be told matey

nick46

Wow this really has gone off topic

burnzy

Why is that such an issue?

Conversation is organic, it takes what ever path that is put down, unless it's a DIY or something that really needs to be kept clean then I can see a reason why, but some random thread whether people prefer one car or not is hardly worth saving, he's already bought a car so certainly not bothered about what's been written now

gcfcos

Couldn't have said it better myself matey

nick46

It's not an issue, I'm not that sad!
It was me who started the thread and who bought the bmw. I was just a little surprised at how far off topic the thread has gone. Didn't expect it to generate so much interest. Interesting reading though.

burnzy

I probably took your comment out of context to be fair, at the end of the day a bunch of blokes getting together and having a chat is always going to go wayward like when your in the pub, I've had some right odd ball chats with my friends and complete strangers

Glenn_

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Exactly its only a bit of banter.

Jay,

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I wouldn't own a German car due to what I see come in for repairs and in 2 other garages and it seems the newest models are getting worse built the newer they are . Funny thing is which is also weird out of the Audi group seat and Skoda seem to be a lot more reliable than the rest .

Adam-M

Skodas are pretty decent tbh, I do agree some modern cars are not designed properly, just look at the new focus rs there seems to be some problems with cracked blocks and I don't think the running gear can handle anymore than standard. You'd think by this day and age you'd know exactly what material you can use for what purpose. I remember seeing an ecoboost block on display at ford fair and there's no suprise it could have issues when you see it.

gcfcos

Funny you guys say that skodas seem to be bomb proof! Only ever get them with clutches, ball joints gone or battery dead

Glenn_

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See i don't understand this problem with the cracked blocks. The focus rs was tested for years so i thought they would of came over this problem and sorted it.

RichieST

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Because your average Skoda driver is 73 years old, drives it 11 miles a year, mostly everywhere in 3rd gear slipping the clutch like mad, just like my dad in his Octavia

Adam-M

I don't think it was tested for years, I haven't looked into the problem as I'm not all that interested, it's just something that you come across on forums ect. I'm no expert but I noticed they have that groove machined in between each cylinder which I'm pretty sure the old focus st had and that contributed to them cracking liners?? Is that the groove that people put an insert into?

The block was heavily open deck

Glenn_

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I thought the focus rs was tested for years to make sure everything was right with the car ie the suspension and 4wd system and so on.

I like the newer Fords but when there featured in fast ford i dont read about them cause im not that interested in them.

It's Czech Mate

That's not unreliable though is it, its just consumables.....

They don't seem to be that watertight on some models too but my overall experience with them is good. Most of my extended family drive Skodas now......except me

gcfcos

I didn't say they were unreliable I said they were bomb proof buddy, I was highlighting that it's only normal wear and tear items I see need doing on them

martysmartie

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I personally preferred the MK2, with the modular 5 pot and in ultimate green.

Are these reports with tuned examples?

Martin

nick46

Well after many time wasters and deals that have fallen through, the ST finally sold today. And I'm really pleased that it's going to a proper ford enthusiast who will care for it as I have. The chap has a mint Mk1 escort Mexico that he has invited me over to see and also a new focus RS as his daily which he has also offered me a go in
Also he only lives the other side of town so if and when he decides to sell it, there maybe the opportunity to buy it back one day.
Just so glad it's going to a good home. I would've hated to sell it to some chav who would just abuse it and probably kill it.
Tomorrow is gonna be a sad day though when he comes back to pick it up

Glenn_

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So is the ST taking over daily drive duties from his New focus rs???

nick46

No the ST is gonna be his mrs daily.