How to use steel seal, head gasket repair ?
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How to use steel seal, head gasket repair ?
I have a 2006 ford focus sport 1.8 TDCI (mk2) , It's had £2,000 on repairs in almost 2 years, I suspect a current head gasket problem, I would get it replaced properly but there appears to be several other major things possibly wrong so am not sure what to do.
anyway, 15 months ago chemical test indicated bad head gasket, however 15 months on the car still runs great, no power loss and no smoke, no oil/water mixing, just mysterious water loss but have had to replace radiator as sprung a leak , 2 rubber coolant hoses and metal cooling pipe, but that was 6 months ago and no leaks since though top hose does feel quite hard.
I bought Steel seal and it should arrive on Wednesday or so. I have read different ways of how to apply it.
I have a few questions.
1. My car does not haver a radiator cap so should I pour it into header tank or pour it down a radiator hose ?
2. should I flush cooling system prior to use ?
3. should I remove thermostat ( or should I leave it on so as car can reach op temp ? )
4. should I begin with hot engine or cold ?
5. how long to leave engine ticking over for until turn off and then how long to leave cold afterward before re-starting it ?
thanks all and please answer as many questions as you can.
anyway, 15 months ago chemical test indicated bad head gasket, however 15 months on the car still runs great, no power loss and no smoke, no oil/water mixing, just mysterious water loss but have had to replace radiator as sprung a leak , 2 rubber coolant hoses and metal cooling pipe, but that was 6 months ago and no leaks since though top hose does feel quite hard.
I bought Steel seal and it should arrive on Wednesday or so. I have read different ways of how to apply it.
I have a few questions.
1. My car does not haver a radiator cap so should I pour it into header tank or pour it down a radiator hose ?
2. should I flush cooling system prior to use ?
3. should I remove thermostat ( or should I leave it on so as car can reach op temp ? )
4. should I begin with hot engine or cold ?
5. how long to leave engine ticking over for until turn off and then how long to leave cold afterward before re-starting it ?
thanks all and please answer as many questions as you can.
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hi.
I know they come with instructions but different sources claim different methods, also this claims that it should be poured into radiator, I have no radiator thing to pour into so am I best to undo the radiator hose and pour it into there ?
It doesn't mention removing the thermostat, but would taking out the thermostat be a better solution to help it flow through better or will it stop the car from reaching op temp ?
thanks
I know they come with instructions but different sources claim different methods, also this claims that it should be poured into radiator, I have no radiator thing to pour into so am I best to undo the radiator hose and pour it into there ?
It doesn't mention removing the thermostat, but would taking out the thermostat be a better solution to help it flow through better or will it stop the car from reaching op temp ?
thanks
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From recent experience of steel seal this is by far the best method.
1,don't buy it.
2,instead shove the money you would have used to pay for the steel seal into the header tank/radiator or wherever else.
3,let the car get up to temperature then tick over for 30 mins.
4,realise then that it didn't work and fix it properly.
5,skip steps 2 and 3 and go straight to 5 as it doesn't work.
Or
6,sell your p.o.s car,buy something new with warranty and when it breaks bug the life out of the garage you bought it from and not ask the internet every 2 minutes on how to fix a roached old diesel focus.
1,don't buy it.
2,instead shove the money you would have used to pay for the steel seal into the header tank/radiator or wherever else.
3,let the car get up to temperature then tick over for 30 mins.
4,realise then that it didn't work and fix it properly.
5,skip steps 2 and 3 and go straight to 5 as it doesn't work.
Or
6,sell your p.o.s car,buy something new with warranty and when it breaks bug the life out of the garage you bought it from and not ask the internet every 2 minutes on how to fix a roached old diesel focus.
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Oh no another thread...
Can't you just keep all your waffle in one thread, it's a better read for everyone
Can't you just keep all your waffle in one thread, it's a better read for everyone
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From recent experience of steel seal this is by far the best method.
1,don't buy it.
2,instead shove the money you would have used to pay for the steel seal into the header tank/radiator or wherever else.
3,let the car get up to temperature then tick over for 30 mins.
4,realise then that it didn't work and fix it properly.
5,skip steps 2 and 3 and go straight to 5 as it doesn't work.
Or
6,sell your p.o.s car,buy something new with warranty and when it breaks bug the life out of the garage you bought it from and not ask the internet every 2 minutes on how to fix a roached old diesel focus.
1,don't buy it.
2,instead shove the money you would have used to pay for the steel seal into the header tank/radiator or wherever else.
3,let the car get up to temperature then tick over for 30 mins.
4,realise then that it didn't work and fix it properly.
5,skip steps 2 and 3 and go straight to 5 as it doesn't work.
Or
6,sell your p.o.s car,buy something new with warranty and when it breaks bug the life out of the garage you bought it from and not ask the internet every 2 minutes on how to fix a roached old diesel focus.
clunking noise when bring clutch up, though car goes into gear brilliantly.
maybe bad injector/s.
then if I do replace head gasket will it need complete engine machining ?
I can afford to have it replaced, but is it worth it ? what is I replace head gasket and then it appears to be a problem with the head/block ??
so you see, this is why I am going to try steel seal.
edit: if you are going to continue to just post for being funny then really don't bother, I'll completely ignore you
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Because you keep horsing around...
You don't listen to anyone's advice you cabbage...!!!
I've said before post in the Focus section as that's where all the Focus owners are with there faults, you may even find someone with the same fault if you search
Or post in the projects section and keep it all in one thread, nobody wants to see the general section full of 100 different threads by you... don't take it personally, I'm just giving you some friendly advice
Every forum needs it idiot... and we're happy to have you...
You really to to find a decent garage to use...
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We use steel seal at work on vehicles that are not financially worth repairing due to headgasket issues but the owners happy to gamble £35 to see if it'll last a while longer. I've done a few cars now and even an old carpet fitters van that was puffing out white smoke and they are all still going over 6 months on! We just dump half the coolant out and then add the steel seal and then top up the coolant, run up to temperature and should be good for a while at least
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Because you keep horsing around...
You don't listen to anyone's advice you cabbage...!!!
I've said before post in the Focus section as that's where all the Focus owners are with there faults, you may even find someone with the same fault if you search
Or post in the projects section and keep it all in one thread, nobody wants to see the general section full of 100 different threads by you... don't take it personally, I'm just giving you some friendly advice
Every forum needs it idiot... and we're happy to have you...
You really to to find a decent garage to use...
You don't listen to anyone's advice you cabbage...!!!
I've said before post in the Focus section as that's where all the Focus owners are with there faults, you may even find someone with the same fault if you search
Or post in the projects section and keep it all in one thread, nobody wants to see the general section full of 100 different threads by you... don't take it personally, I'm just giving you some friendly advice
Every forum needs it idiot... and we're happy to have you...
You really to to find a decent garage to use...
I told you last time I cannot see a focus forum. is it even on the same forum ??
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We use steel seal at work on vehicles that are not financially worth repairing due to headgasket issues but the owners happy to gamble £35 to see if it'll last a while longer. I've done a few cars now and even an old carpet fitters van that was puffing out white smoke and they are all still going over 6 months on! We just dump half the coolant out and then add the steel seal and then top up the coolant, run up to temperature and should be good for a while at least
It drives well, no power loss, no smoke, no oil/water mixing, just having to top up water time-time and bottle often looks empty but when removing header tank cap the water rushes up and fills bottle but then drops to half.
would replace HG if it needs doing but as said it has other potentially serious faults.
few questions.
. should the thermostat be removed.
I have nothing to pour directly into radiator, can I pour it down the radiator hose ?
do I begin with cold or hot engine ?
how long of I leave engine on for, and then how long do I leave engine off for it too set ?
cheers
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To discuss anything that is related to cars and automotive technology that doesnt naturally fit into another forum catagory.
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It's had £2000 spent in about 18 months on repairs, possible turbo problem, no symptoms but cannot feel it and it whines sometimes.
clunking noise when bring clutch up, though car goes into gear brilliantly.
maybe bad injector/s.
then if I do replace head gasket will it need complete engine machining ?
I can afford to have it replaced, but is it worth it ? what is I replace head gasket and then it appears to be a problem with the head/block ??
so you see, this is why I am going to try steel seal.
edit: if you are going to continue to just post for being funny then really don't bother, I'll completely ignore you
clunking noise when bring clutch up, though car goes into gear brilliantly.
maybe bad injector/s.
then if I do replace head gasket will it need complete engine machining ?
I can afford to have it replaced, but is it worth it ? what is I replace head gasket and then it appears to be a problem with the head/block ??
so you see, this is why I am going to try steel seal.
edit: if you are going to continue to just post for being funny then really don't bother, I'll completely ignore you
And I was being serious,if your head gasket is gone just fix it.
nobody has this many problems with a car they think can fix themselves but needs to start thread after thread asking folk who are tired trying to help you about various ways you want to try not to fix your car,which if it does have as many problems as you make on is incredible.
I'm surprised the mods haven't banned you for spamming up the forum.
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See you refuse to listen again!!! I've give you advice and all you want to do is argue about the same thing
Look you you found the muppet section, its only abit further down the page
Project section looks like
Post one thread titled i.e. Fastlife91's heap of turd Focus and his daily fu£k ups
Just post pics and updates on your car, we've yet to see pics of the car but you post pics of your gob
Simple
Alittle further down again there is the Focus section
You could always post you problems there ( about your car not mental state )
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Get the head gasket replaced or change the car is my honest response.
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1, slightly whiney turbo and (can feel no boost )and cannot hear proper function of turbo,
Q1,It drives well, (no power loss, ) ( did I miss something?)
no smoke,
what do you want to hear , most modern turbo cars don't make shed
Loads of noise
Q1,It drives well, (no power loss, ) ( did I miss something?)
no smoke,
what do you want to hear , most modern turbo cars don't make shed
Loads of noise
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Originally Posted by lacey
1, slightly whiney turbo and (can feel no boost )and cannot hear proper function of turbo,
Q1,It drives well, (no power loss, ) ( did I miss something?)
no smoke,
what do you want to hear , most modern turbo cars don't make shed
Loads of noise
Q1,It drives well, (no power loss, ) ( did I miss something?)
no smoke,
what do you want to hear , most modern turbo cars don't make shed
Loads of noise
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He's disappeared for now, hopefully his drugs have kicked in and he stays away until tomorrow at least
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Originally Posted by slammedorion
He's disappeared for now, hopefully his drugs have kicked in and he stays away until tomorrow at least
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Originally Posted by studabear
Fastlife91 Put the steel seal into the fuel, it sorts fuel pumps and injectors out no bother.
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I have always been really friendly with everybody, even once the sarcasm began I shrugged it off but like now every time I ask a question most of you just act stupidity and seem unable to answer the questions properly.
if you are not prepared to answer properly then do not bother
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Here's a serious reply, your car sounds like it is beyond economical repair so stop asking the same questions and get rid of it, it's beyond your abilities to fix it, it sounds like its beyond fixing full stop.
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I'll put it down your throat if you don't shut up.
I have always been really friendly with everybody, even once the sarcasm began I shrugged it off but like now every time I ask a question most of you just act stupidity and seem unable to answer the questions properly.
if you are not prepared to answer properly then do not bother
I have always been really friendly with everybody, even once the sarcasm began I shrugged it off but like now every time I ask a question most of you just act stupidity and seem unable to answer the questions properly.
if you are not prepared to answer properly then do not bother
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I think you should of took the hint and get shot of the pos 15 months ago when you where told it had a bad gasket
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It's had £2000 spent in about 18 months on repairs, possible turbo problem, no symptoms but cannot feel it and it whines sometimes.
clunking noise when bring clutch up, though car goes into gear brilliantly.
maybe bad injector/s.
then if I do replace head gasket will it need complete engine machining ?
I can afford to have it replaced, but is it worth it ? what is I replace head gasket and then it appears to be a problem with the head/block ??
so you see, this is why I am going to try steel seal.
edit: if you are going to continue to just post for being funny then really don't bother, I'll completely ignore you
clunking noise when bring clutch up, though car goes into gear brilliantly.
maybe bad injector/s.
then if I do replace head gasket will it need complete engine machining ?
I can afford to have it replaced, but is it worth it ? what is I replace head gasket and then it appears to be a problem with the head/block ??
so you see, this is why I am going to try steel seal.
edit: if you are going to continue to just post for being funny then really don't bother, I'll completely ignore you
Yes, you have spent 2k on the car, but sometimes you just have to have to cut your losses and get rid.
If it helps i sold a very tidy subaru impreza uk300 as it was not very economical, went out and bought an audi a3 diesel 130tdi sport quattro.
It was the biggest mistake i have ever made, 5 mins into driving it home from buying it i hated it, one thing after another went wrong and it cost me over £1800 in 18 months to keep it going, then dmf started to rattle so i fucked it off.
With buying the car and the repairs i would have been better off keeping the impreza and poor fuel economy.
What did i do? Got a £10k loan, put £5k of my own cash in and bought a 62 plate focus st estate. Its costing me £200 a month for the loan, but the car was 2.5 years old, and had 20k miles on it when i bought it.
And it does not much better mpg than the impreza but im over giving a toss about mpg and just buy something worth driving.
HTH
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You just listed a whole host of potential issues, you do not know that the head gasket has gone but are going to try and fix it.
Yes, you have spent 2k on the car, but sometimes you just have to have to cut your losses and get rid.
If it helps i sold a very tidy subaru impreza uk300 as it was not very economical, went out and bought an audi a3 diesel
130tdi sport quattro.
It was the biggest mistake i have ever made, 5 mins into driving it home from buying it i hated it, one thing after another went wrong and it cost me over £1800 in 18 months to keep it going, then dmf started to rattle so i fucked it off.
With buying the car and the repairs i would have been better off keeping the impreza and poor fuel economy.
What did i do? Got a £10k loan, put £5k of my own cash in and bought a 62 plate focus st estate. Its costing me £200 a month for the loan, but the car was 2.5 years old, and had 20k miles on it when i bought it.
And it does not much better mpg than the impreza but im over giving a toss about mpg and just buy something worth driving.
HTH
Yes, you have spent 2k on the car, but sometimes you just have to have to cut your losses and get rid.
If it helps i sold a very tidy subaru impreza uk300 as it was not very economical, went out and bought an audi a3 diesel
130tdi sport quattro.
It was the biggest mistake i have ever made, 5 mins into driving it home from buying it i hated it, one thing after another went wrong and it cost me over £1800 in 18 months to keep it going, then dmf started to rattle so i fucked it off.
With buying the car and the repairs i would have been better off keeping the impreza and poor fuel economy.
What did i do? Got a £10k loan, put £5k of my own cash in and bought a 62 plate focus st estate. Its costing me £200 a month for the loan, but the car was 2.5 years old, and had 20k miles on it when i bought it.
And it does not much better mpg than the impreza but im over giving a toss about mpg and just buy something worth driving.
HTH
there comes a time when you have to cut your losses and move on.
I don't knock you for attempting to repair things yourself but as loads have already said you just don't take the advise given so what's the point in asking ??
For example if someone asked me what size cable they should use to wire there electric cooker and I advised them to use 6mm and they kept asking if they could get away with using 2.5mm tied together with a bit of 1.5mm and so on in the hope it won't burn the house down..... are getting the picture here???? Lots of people on here with years of experience on here you could learn a lot if you just listen !!