massivewangers

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I must say, I'd like to see how my Golf R compares to a Cosworth in various states of tune, especially a stage three or similar. Wouldn't imagine there would be a lot in it.

The Golf would be miles quicker cross country, but it certainly doesn't have the theatre of an old car, it's just point and squirt without any fuss.

lee2cossies

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There's a guy local to me with a golf r it has a stage 1 revo upgrade not sure what power that means, but it was no match over a 1 mile straight against my Cosworth, my Cossie is around 350hp on a run in base map, obviously show it a corner and it would be the other way around.

Adam-M

Why would it be miles quicker cross country? The R isn't exactly known for its handling, heavy car with a fwd inspired layout?

I had a good 20 mile blast against a mk2 rs and he only came into my rear view on the straight sections and wasn't anywhere near on the corners, that's not because his car handled crap but because he was scared.

Saying one car will win on a corner is daft it's always down to the driver.

massivewangers

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Revo map can be anything from 350-380bhp I think, though I might be wrong. The Golf is a decent bit heavier than the Cosworth which doesn't help. If the Golf is DSG that will make a big difference as it can make a lot of time in the gear changes. It would be interesting to see the difference in times for sure.

The R isn't known for it's handling? Are you mad? It would be quicker because it's got an extra 30 years worth of chassis development under it. It doesn't matter that it's FWD-derived, so is an Evo?

Yes, a car is only as good as it's driver, but that has nothing to do with the pure technical ability of the car, which is what I was talking about.

Anyway, pointless arguing about it, it was merely an interest in how they would compare. I love Cossies, they're great cars and have way more character than modern stuff, which is what this thread is all about.

Staffi

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I question your sanity sometimes Adam, if there's anyone cossie blinkered on here it's you

Jay,

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Could never own a standard cossie would bore me to death lol . One of the reasons of owning one is the pure grunt you can get from one

Adam-M

Well it's just aswell I'm on passionford after all Pete, I'm not blinkered ive been in lots of different cars, just some impress me and some don't

plynchy

Had mine 21 years as well.

Will be good to get it back on a track, next year hopefully. Also be interesting to try a 30-100+ run against the Porker at some point, quite how i'll pull this off I've no idea.

ajamesc

It all depends what you have been in lol I'm blinked to cosworths but I've been in one with 700bhp loads of torque and good grip / handeling. Would I consider an r32 golf with 350bhp fast not in the slightest but I dare say there's many who would.

Ridgey

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Paul
Why wait, Oulton Park this Saturday, just booked myself

Staffi

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How's yours these days Dave?? What spec are you at now?? Yours I've always loved, used hard and looks superb. We MUST catch-up next year bud, it's been too long.

Caddyshack

Was that Cossiedaves?

I was surprised that he said his car does not wheelspin under full acceleration...that impressive seeing as many super cars flicker the traction control light a lot (I know that's only small slip but still impressive)

plynchy

Cos the engine is in bits in the garage

ajamesc

Na rods

Staffi

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I've been in Rod's too courtesy of Mark, just in another league, fastest previous to that was a 3dr running a GT40 which wasn't shy either, lol.

costina

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Best one i have been in was owned by Nik and the engine built by Norris Designs had 632 bhp on race fuel and shit loads of torque back in 2003 ish.

Toby you are right saying the pug is quicker than most supercars due to power to weight etc. Been out in a eb110 with 450lbft and it felt the same as my cossie mid range even tho the bug had 600bhp but is heavier.

Power per pound you cannot beat a yb.

cossynut2

Rods Saff is a unique one off car which has been built to break records and none of us will ever own one like it.The performance figures are staggering but no doubt the build budget has also been staggering.
There is no point trying to compare anyone elses with his, as you have said its in its own league.

Ridgey

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Good reason

Ridgey

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Pete
As per my sig, running 360ish on trackdays at about 23psi.
Want to go coil on plug over winter and get rid of the dizzy.
May be an efr turbo in the future
And yes we must catchup next year.

RSMK4TURBO

Sorry to but in but what clutch do you run ridgey? seeing has you have similar engine spec to me.

JasonPD

It was the car I lusted after 20 years ago and back then I'd have fiddled and messed about with everything (got it mapped, big wheels, 6x9 speakers etc) but these days I'm happy with how it is - got the FRS for going fast in.

Hopefully I'm preserving it for me as I don't plan on parting, but I feel my desire to own an escort some day may change this...

JasonPD

They still feel pretty lively for a car that is nearly 30 years old. To be fair, perhaps I'll have to get someone in a 400bhp one to take me out and I might change my mind!

cossynut2

I have been told that after being used to how my 450 bhp 2wd goes I would be very shocked at how slow a standard one would feel.

gcfcos

Keeping one standard is good for some people as they can be 100% reliable that way and not everyone is into modifying cars. I'm getting to the age now where I half wish I had kept mine completely standard

Rod-Tarry

I agree with that but a Petrolhead would be bored silly with a Standard RS of 80's vintage. If you want Fast & reliable buy a modern AMG or a an Audi. I certainly would not want to turn mine back to standard as some are doing even though im in my 70's.

It's Czech Mate

Buy an Audi if you want reliable

bluntys1rsturbo

i had the pleasure of going out with karl3dr lat sunday in his mint 3 door cosworth, its running around 320-330bhp and it certainly doesnt hang about when you open the throttle.

theres just something about the old yb thats unlike anything else, and no doubt that cosworths get so much attention/respect when out i honestly cant say theres any other car that has this effect on people cant beat them

Glenn_

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Ffs dont you start ha ha ha.

Glenn_

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Ive been in a 400bhp 4x4 saff and that was bloody quick.

cossynut2

I think its a bit of a myth that Cossies become unreliable when modified. As soon as I got mine 21 years ago I had the engine rebuilt using a new 200 Wire rung block, bd10 & bd12 cams,balanced bottom end with competiton bearings, uprated oil pump, group a spec ported and polished head groupA head gasket, valve cut out Mahle pistons, greys , T35 hybrid turbo and big bore exhaust.It has never let me down, blown the head gasket or started any oil leaks, and never failed an MOT.
2 years ago switched to L8 ecu, wasted spark ignition,new wiring looms ,Siemens 83lb injectors, 044 pump,T38 turbo with billet compressor, hart style inlet, lightened flywheel,and hydraulic clutch conversion.
The engine is still going strong and gets thrashed on a regular basis.
Of course in that time some things have been replaced but just down to old age, battery,alternator, steering arm joint,and all original rubber bushes with poly ones.
My car had just under 50,000 miles on it when I got it, it is now on 106,000 miles, so in my opinion it has been very reliable.
As long as the modifications are done right by someone who is a proper Cosworth expert there is no reason why you have to suffer unreliability to get decent power.

Adam-M

Got to agree there cossienut as most modified parts are much better quality than the standard stuff as they are designed with more power in mind, don't think you'll get any more unreliable than the original wiring loom and distributor combo compared to the MSD/Autodynamix upgrades.

Jay,

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You can buy faster diesels than a standard cossie Rod my boys saff is stage 1 and it feels so slow now its hard to believe in this day and age that cossie was a fast car back in 87 as a standard car . But time move on but I could never own a standard one

Mike1

I was quite surprised going home in mine yesterday to see another one, J reg Magenta? one, coming round the island at the same time. Junc 5 M54 about ten past 4.

Nice to see them being used.... They go well in the cold

Rod-Tarry

Such a 4x4 feels as if its pulling a Petrol Tanker with the brakes on its so muted if you have been in a really quick car. My bloody quick would be a 1400bhp Koeny. Bloody quick is 0-187mph in 12 secs & that's what that missile does. Just wish I could afford one without selling my house.

Glenn_

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Well rod take me out in your then matey.

The 2 fastest cars ive been in are that saff i was on about and the royal nail can. The van did 0 to 60 in 3.4 secs.

As cossienut said cossies arnt unreliable if they have been looked after. The main problem with cossies imo is people dont get them set up.

gcfcos

For someone over 70 you sound like my 13 year old nephew with his "my mates dad's cars fastest than your dads car"

Ridgey

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Helix 6 paddle, been great

Adam-M

Cable or hydraulic mate?

Ridgey

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Still on cable.

cossynut2

I cant remember the last time when I was out in mine and saw another one.The only time you meet others on the road these days is when going to a show.
Our Saffs are becoming an endangered species!!