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Old 28-03-2016, 02:03 PM
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As Costina said, it needs to be heated up and cooled down correctly, I usually throw whatever I've welded into a pile of sand as it keeps the temperature decline nice and steady.
Old 28-03-2016, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
Yes mate i know but your manifold is a single scroll which will have a bigger T4 flange welded on, I'd of thought you'd be better off with a proper single scroll housing on the Borg
The 2wd manifold is twin scroll
Old 28-03-2016, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
The 2wd manifold is twin scroll

I never knew that, isn't the t3 open scroll though as standard?
Old 28-03-2016, 02:16 PM
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The t3 is single scroll Ford bean counters decided the t3 would do the job as it was cheap and reliable and it did it very well .
The manifold should work well if Jay bodges it properly to take the BW
Old 28-03-2016, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
The t3 is single scroll Ford bean counters decided the t3 would do the job as it was cheap and reliable and it did it very well .
The manifold should work well if Jay bodges it properly to take the BW
Crazy they didn't put a twin on it standard, is it divided in the elbow that sits between manifold and turbo?
Old 28-03-2016, 02:38 PM
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Were there proper twin scroll (as in twin volute) turbos around when cossie was launched then?


My car goes up to Nortech next week for a custom twin scroll manifold, 3.5" down pipe and exhaust system. Also doing a custom stainless oil drain. I don`t expect to see much change from 1.5K ish. There was no other way of doing it though, add to that the transport there and back.....beans on toast for a while


I`ve also heard the 2wd manifold makes the BW turbos touch the head? I suppose you could bodge it with how the flange is welded on.
Old 28-03-2016, 04:45 PM
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Like i said IF someone invested the time and money for a special cast trouser section for this range of turbo's it would make it more cost effective for us mere mortals.

Personally i think it will work well.
Old 28-03-2016, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by costina
Like i said IF someone invested the time and money for a special cast trouser section for this range of turbo's it would make it more cost effective for us mere mortals.

Personally i think it will work well.
Didn't martin make a spacer for the trouser section to lift it up for a gt30 to fit? Is the trouser divided aswell? If not it might be worth getting a custom one made
Old 28-03-2016, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
Didn't martin make a spacer for the trouser section to lift it up for a gt30 to fit? Is the trouser divided aswell? If not it might be worth getting a custom one made
Yeah trouser is divided.
Spacer and a suitable flange sorted.
Old 28-03-2016, 06:35 PM
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Twin scroll turbo's are nothing new been around for many years the most famous one was the Toyota CT-26 twin entry on the Toyota celica GT4 in the early 90's known as twin entry
Old 28-03-2016, 06:41 PM
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Nice info there Tony
Old 28-03-2016, 06:46 PM
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To think that the boys at cosworth designed a divided manifold in the 80's for a transit 16 valve engine is quite astonishing
Old 28-03-2016, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
To think that the boys at cosworth designed a divided manifold in the 80's for a transit 16 valve engine is quite astonishing
That is the bare bones of it
Old 28-03-2016, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay,
That is the bare bones of it
30 years later the new generation on passionford get excited about what they think is new technology
Old 28-03-2016, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
30 years later the new generation on passionford get excited about what they think is new technology
In fairness I think it's moved on a little now in how efficient they are
Old 28-03-2016, 07:01 PM
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I remember getting excited 30 years ago now I'd struggle to get excited watching you porn lol
Old 28-03-2016, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
To think that the boys at cosworth designed a divided manifold in the 80's for a transit 16 valve engine is quite astonishing
And then stick an open scroll t3 on it, why it doesn't make any sense?
Old 28-03-2016, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
To think that the boys at cosworth designed a divided manifold in the 80's for a transit 16 valve engine is quite astonishing
That has to be the best quote ever....

People forget the amount of R and D that went into this engine by ford and cosworth and previous designers.
Old 28-03-2016, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
And then stick an open scroll t3 on it, why it doesn't make any sense?
Cost and power. ford asked cosworth to detune it from about 300bhp.
Just imagine a estate agent with 300bhp and rwd = death.
Old 28-03-2016, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by costina
Cost and power. ford asked cosworth to detune it from about 300bhp.
Just imagine a estate agent with 300bhp and rwd = death.
Best way of culling a few, God knows we need to.
Old 28-03-2016, 09:07 PM
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Well ahead of its time the YB engine and ecu. I still can't get my head around how tuneable they are with so little, to think that back in the 80's and 90's you could tune them to 400bhp is astonishing.

I came from Liking imprezas so the Yb is state of the art in comparison.

To top it all off its the best looking engine on the planet.
Old 28-03-2016, 09:14 PM
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Old 28-03-2016, 09:20 PM
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Old 29-03-2016, 03:09 PM
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The twin scroll manifold probably stems from cosworths develoment of the F1 turbo engines of that era her's a video of Rimmer explaining the bmw m10 turbo 1500cc engine running a twin scroll turbo at upto 1500 bhp


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That is the engine they pissed on while they where being weathered.

Very cool.
Old 29-03-2016, 05:36 PM
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some more 80's porn


We actually made an intake butterfly like that for my sierra cosworth on an old t4

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Old 29-03-2016, 05:41 PM
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Keep them coming.
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
In fairness I think it's moved on a little now in how efficient they are
I think things have moved on slightly from this video check out the 80's f1 cockpit
Old 29-03-2016, 07:32 PM
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The guy at RSR engineering that rebuilt my 911 engine worked on a few f1 and lemans engines in the turbo era.he said they used to have massive budget to run the engines from 1500 bhp and upwards, often melting them at close to 1800 to just see what they could do.
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
The guy at RSR engineering that rebuilt my 911 engine worked on a few f1 and lemans engines in the turbo era.he said they used to have massive budget to run the engines from 1500 bhp and upwards, often melting them at close to 1800 to just see what they could do.
People can melt their cosworths with a lot less power and budget than that

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Old 29-03-2016, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
People can melt their cosworths with a lot less power and budget than that
Lol, yeah but the all make 500bhp before the do, eh.
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The 2wd manifold was twin scroll as std

Twin scrolling the turbine housing will rejuice it's area radius, A/R

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Originally Posted by 1300gt
The 2wd manifold was twin scroll as std

Twin scrolling the turbine housing will rejuice it's area radius, A/R
Of coarse that's why a bigger a/r is needed for the same flow in twin scroll, surely the open scroll t3 didn't utilise the twin scroll manifold as both seperate pulses are just pumping into one big hole?
Old 29-03-2016, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
I think things have moved on slightly from this video check out the 80's f1 cockpit 1450bhp F1 BMW Turbo - YouTube
Amazing machines when drivers were drivers.
Old 30-03-2016, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
People can melt their cosworths with a lot less power and budget than that
Ain't that the truth!!
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Why not fab a new trouser section that is a direct bolt on to the Borg ? Far better than welding to cast

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Old 02-04-2016, 11:24 AM
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Go on then
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Originally Posted by crazycage
Why not fab a new trouser section that is a direct bolt on to the Borg ? Far better than welding to cast
If someone did make some I would more than likely buy 1 and update to a small twin scroll borg over my old Garrett T series setup.
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Originally Posted by Mad_Mat
If someone did make some I would more than likely buy 1 and update to a small twin scroll borg over my old Garrett T series setup.
The price diff would not be that great from a proper manifold,
What would you be happy paying for a link pipe out of interest.

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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
The price diff would not be that great from a proper manifold,
What would you be happy paying for a link pipe out of interest.

Mark
The price difference would be massive ,it's basically 2 flanges and 2 pipes Tbh I'm surprised there not already out there


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