gtr 33 skyline questions
12-08-2015, 11:14 PM
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gtr 33 skyline questions
I know this isn't a Nissan forum but as far as im aware a good few of you are well versed on skylines, supras, bmw ect ect. I stll have my turbo bonus but im wanting something with a boosted straight 6 and its basically come down to the rb26. my budget is 12k maximum, hopefully this will turn up a half decent r32/33. im just after some advice on what to look out for. theres one im going to view on Friday with circa 450bhp, built with forged rods/pistons ect with a goal of 600bhp. has full documentation of the build, receipts ect ect. is there anything to look out for that only a skyline guru would be aware of? thanks in advance, matt
13-08-2015, 06:04 AM
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The only thing I no about is the Gearbox the R32 has a sencro problem in 3rd and 4th they crunch if there on there way out . There's 3 ways to find out run the motor on the spot and try all the gears then drive it nice and steady in all the gears then give it some this time as you might not here it you will have to feal it in the gear stick as you change gear . The skyline gear box is a strong bit of kit but they all wair out and are not cheap to fix . Sorry I can not help any more than that mate
13-08-2015, 08:31 AM
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I think Jay on here had one and his opinion is that sooner or later you will do a fast change 2nd to 3rd and hear the Syncro go "dink" and then it will always crunch. The accepted protection is about Ł100 worth of Shock Proof oil (sold on here through opie oils with discounts) and it uses "magic" to help protect the box. You can also upgrade the attessa pump control (controls the 4X4 split and 2 Wd control) to ETS pro which makes the changes in a millisecond due to much faster modern tech.
You can upgrade the box to close ratio 6 speed from an R34, these are bomb proof and can take 1000bhp without any work (Getrag box) but the cheapest I have seen is Ł3000 second hand and only guaranteed if fitted by them. (GT Bitz)
GT Bitz seem to know their stuff as does the obvious Middlehurst so I would speak to them about an inspection.
You can upgrade the box to close ratio 6 speed from an R34, these are bomb proof and can take 1000bhp without any work (Getrag box) but the cheapest I have seen is Ł3000 second hand and only guaranteed if fitted by them. (GT Bitz)
GT Bitz seem to know their stuff as does the obvious Middlehurst so I would speak to them about an inspection.
13-08-2015, 09:37 AM
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As Toby says's the boxes are bloody strong BUT the weak point is the syncro's and if they are not worn all it takes is a duff change and then itll crunch but not overly expensive to get repaired make sure the box is tested cold to warm ,the other issue is rust they rust every where rear arches and rear tubs front inner outer wings front and rear floors and sills . Just because the car is very well specced dont make the assumption that all is well so dont buy it with your dick use your head lol check the car over get it on ramps or even pay a mot test center to look at it and ask if you can observe as well . The parts for these are really hard to get hold of especially body panels .
The R32 not only looks more retro hardcore but is over 100 kilos lighter than the R33 the engine isnt a torque monster and for a gtr to feel alive it really needs to be 450+ bhp as there are such a big car . Seeing as the engine has been forged you haven't got the piston and ring issues a standard car has so thats a massive benefit but keep a eye on oil pressure as the oil pump is direct crank driven with a plastic cog and these do wear . The standard ignition isnt that strong so uprated coil packs will be needed if not already done . The interior build quality is a bit datsun so you wont be blown away by that you will need to run them on good plugs so a set of plugs will set you back at least Ł50 for basic ones and oil change are not cheap either lol.
Never owned a 32 but owned a 33 gtst with 500bhp and a 33 gtr vspec with 480 and was never a real fan of the gtr purely because it felt heavier and not as thrilling to drive as the 2wd smaller brother but launching the gtr was good fun so its swings and round abouts lol
They are very good cars and you will need to keep on top of them to keep them nice and with the right exhaust they are very theatrical lol love the sond very addictive
The R32 not only looks more retro hardcore but is over 100 kilos lighter than the R33 the engine isnt a torque monster and for a gtr to feel alive it really needs to be 450+ bhp as there are such a big car . Seeing as the engine has been forged you haven't got the piston and ring issues a standard car has so thats a massive benefit but keep a eye on oil pressure as the oil pump is direct crank driven with a plastic cog and these do wear . The standard ignition isnt that strong so uprated coil packs will be needed if not already done . The interior build quality is a bit datsun so you wont be blown away by that you will need to run them on good plugs so a set of plugs will set you back at least Ł50 for basic ones and oil change are not cheap either lol.
Never owned a 32 but owned a 33 gtst with 500bhp and a 33 gtr vspec with 480 and was never a real fan of the gtr purely because it felt heavier and not as thrilling to drive as the 2wd smaller brother but launching the gtr was good fun so its swings and round abouts lol
They are very good cars and you will need to keep on top of them to keep them nice and with the right exhaust they are very theatrical lol love the sond very addictive
13-08-2015, 10:33 AM
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This is interesting for me, some good info here. I just sold my BMW 135i and I'm looking at an R32 GT-R next. Or possibly an FD RX-7, but everyone tells me that's a terrible idea!
I heard about oil pumps being an issue and to look out for rust, but didn't realise gearboxes were so easy to damage.
I heard about oil pumps being an issue and to look out for rust, but didn't realise gearboxes were so easy to damage.
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13-08-2015, 11:07 AM
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I was thinking about rx7's aswell but something tells me that's a bd idea aswell. does anyone have any knowledge of dcy Europe in York? im going to view an almost standard r32 this afternoon.
13-08-2015, 11:26 AM
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i would choose a 32GTR over a Rx7 any day of the week, although i must admit the only thing that ever beat me in my 32 was an RX7 lol.
I would still take the GTR awesome car for thrills and massive adrenaline rush, I personally think the R33 looks better but thats down to personal preference.
I would still take the GTR awesome car for thrills and massive adrenaline rush, I personally think the R33 looks better but thats down to personal preference.
13-08-2015, 11:27 AM
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Well I've had both an R32 GTR and R33 GTR. I was never interested in an R33, but a trip to Wales (from Kent) to buy a big power R32 ended with the car being total shite. I had lined up a viewing on an R33 just encase, yep ended up buying that.
Coming from someone that had always assumed the R33 GTR would be a step back from my 32, I can honestly say I was only pleasantly surprised. The R33 felt far safer, my 32's rear wheel steering was scary on undulating roads. The performance was still good and it felt far more nimble than it's visuals suggested. I actually really liked the R33 after owning it. I would say the R33 felt a step up in many ways, only negative for me was the visuals really. Don't think you can beat a good R32 for that. But, if you like the look don't let anyone put you off saying the R32 drives better.
Only problems I had were synchros. Both of mine crunched into 5th.
Coming from someone that had always assumed the R33 GTR would be a step back from my 32, I can honestly say I was only pleasantly surprised. The R33 felt far safer, my 32's rear wheel steering was scary on undulating roads. The performance was still good and it felt far more nimble than it's visuals suggested. I actually really liked the R33 after owning it. I would say the R33 felt a step up in many ways, only negative for me was the visuals really. Don't think you can beat a good R32 for that. But, if you like the look don't let anyone put you off saying the R32 drives better.
Only problems I had were synchros. Both of mine crunched into 5th.
13-08-2015, 11:53 AM
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first thing you do is lock the rear steering, I also rose jointed and solid bushed as much as the rear suspension as possible. It was by far the best handling car i have ever owned and was solid as a rock. at 550Hp it was so predictable and when it would step out it was just so controllable.
My R33GTR was also controllable although it was heavier and had less power but was like jelly in comparison, but a much more comfortable car to drive. depends what you want really.
My R33GTR was also controllable although it was heavier and had less power but was like jelly in comparison, but a much more comfortable car to drive. depends what you want really.
13-08-2015, 12:36 PM
#13
i would choose a 32GTR over a Rx7 any day of the week, although i must admit the only thing that ever beat me in my 32 was an RX7 lol.
I would still take the GTR awesome car for thrills and massive adrenaline rush, I personally think the R33 looks better but thats down to personal preference.
I would still take the GTR awesome car for thrills and massive adrenaline rush, I personally think the R33 looks better but thats down to personal preference.
15-08-2015, 09:17 AM
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go for it you will love it. r33 will be your cheapest option, they drive nicer to as a road car.
my last r32 had a rebuilt gearbox and the shifts were relatively quick and easy, yes some boxes are getting cranky now but look how old they are, they are an awesome gearbox will take 700 hp with a little mechanical sympathy no problems.
my last r33 gtr was 710 hp, stock balanced crank with a jun oil pump and forged pistons and rods, the bottom end had done 30000 miles when I sold it and it was still going strong with an 8600 rpm limit ! built correctly they are a great engine, they do lack in torque but mine still made 490 lbft, 660 hp at the hubs.
my last r32 had a rebuilt gearbox and the shifts were relatively quick and easy, yes some boxes are getting cranky now but look how old they are, they are an awesome gearbox will take 700 hp with a little mechanical sympathy no problems.
my last r33 gtr was 710 hp, stock balanced crank with a jun oil pump and forged pistons and rods, the bottom end had done 30000 miles when I sold it and it was still going strong with an 8600 rpm limit ! built correctly they are a great engine, they do lack in torque but mine still made 490 lbft, 660 hp at the hubs.
15-08-2015, 09:20 AM
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I have also owned an R32 GTR and an R33 GTR vspec, both great cars although i believe the R32s had a weaker cylinder head design and can crack as mine did costing a small fortune to fix.
27-08-2015, 12:30 AM
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well I got a 32 gtr, some good news and bad. the bad news is the gearbox is shagged, the syncros are showing signs there on there way out but 5th gear is non existent. I made the mistake of using a trader in Keighley, I was horrified at the reviews but that's my fault. it was a last minute decision to go view this one, the place was full of high end supercars so I thought all would be well. a test drive revelead it went like stink, seemed to change gear as it should ect. imagine my delight when I join the m62 to find I have a 4 speed skyline! I rang them immedietly and they insisted I take it back for them to rectify. rather than have them touch it, I will repair it via someone I trust and send them an invoice along with a letter/documents to prove the car wasn't a1 when I got it in my possession. I considered taking it back, demanding a refund ect but to be honest everything else is spot on, the bodywork isn't perfect but its better than a majority of other r32's ive seen. it has hks fcon ecu, blitz boost control, rosejointed adjustable arms ect, coilovers, 2 way diff, brembo's and bells/rotors and a very trick arc intercooler. nismo 600cc injectors and runs around 400bhp. its a shame about the gearbox but other than that im smitten and the handling is like nothing else ive experienced. I paid a lot of money for a car with a duff box but on the other hand, I got a v spec for a decent price. the gearbox is giving me a headache as I bought an r33 gtr box and I will need to fathom a way of converting from pull to push so that I can retain my clutch. thanks for the input to everyone who commented. ps if I get something out of the dealer, its a bonus but if not im resigned to the fact now. a valuable lesson learnt
27-08-2015, 08:51 AM
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well I got a 32 gtr, some good news and bad. the bad news is the gearbox is shagged, the syncros are showing signs there on there way out but 5th gear is non existent. I made the mistake of using a trader in Keighley, I was horrified at the reviews but that's my fault. it was a last minute decision to go view this one, the place was full of high end supercars so I thought all would be well. a test drive revelead it went like stink, seemed to change gear as it should ect. imagine my delight when I join the m62 to find I have a 4 speed skyline! I rang them immedietly and they insisted I take it back for them to rectify. rather than have them touch it, I will repair it via someone I trust and send them an invoice along with a letter/documents to prove the car wasn't a1 when I got it in my possession. I considered taking it back, demanding a refund ect but to be honest everything else is spot on, the bodywork isn't perfect but its better than a majority of other r32's ive seen. it has hks fcon ecu, blitz boost control, rosejointed adjustable arms ect, coilovers, 2 way diff, brembo's and bells/rotors and a very trick arc intercooler. nismo 600cc injectors and runs around 400bhp. its a shame about the gearbox but other than that im smitten and the handling is like nothing else ive experienced. I paid a lot of money for a car with a duff box but on the other hand, I got a v spec for a decent price. the gearbox is giving me a headache as I bought an r33 gtr box and I will need to fathom a way of converting from pull to push so that I can retain my clutch. thanks for the input to everyone who commented. ps if I get something out of the dealer, its a bonus but if not im resigned to the fact now. a valuable lesson learnt
27-08-2015, 09:33 AM
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Cant really help much here but I reckon the R23 GTR could well be the next big thing in the classic car world and prices will rise accordingly. It was a very successful touring car and its of the right era for it to be seen as a classic now. I'd say snap one up quick.
27-08-2015, 10:43 AM
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it was the white one with prodrive wheels si. hopefully it will have all five gears this time next week. the place has some stunning cars, and I suppose its easy to be sucked in by the quality of some of the cars they have. thanks for the link jay. the price of r32's seems to be going up. im not one of these that likes to hype values ect just because its beneficial to me but I think now is the time to buy an r32 if you were ever considering it. prior to really looking, I just looked at the 32 as the dinosaur, ignoring its heritage in group a and all japan touring cars and thinking it looked the most dated. but the looks have grown on me and the way it drives, I can see why the purists love them.
27-08-2015, 11:05 AM
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it was the white one with prodrive wheels si. hopefully it will have all five gears this time next week. the place has some stunning cars, and I suppose its easy to be sucked in by the quality of some of the cars they have. thanks for the link jay. the price of r32's seems to be going up. im not one of these that likes to hype values ect just because its beneficial to me but I think now is the time to buy an r32 if you were ever considering it. prior to really looking, I just looked at the 32 as the dinosaur, ignoring its heritage in group a and all japan touring cars and thinking it looked the most dated. but the looks have grown on me and the way it drives, I can see why the purists love them.
27-08-2015, 12:51 PM
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thanks, not sure really. it will be with me for a long time (hopefully) as I keep hold of stuff. I hope to have the dash flocked as my is heavily pregnant. its a common problem apparently, they basically bulge out on the passenger side. have the interior recovered, the seats are all together but there grubby, and what looks like superglue has been spilt. engine wise, I will be happy with 450bhp so really its just a case of dyno time after fitting some r34 turbo's. (r32/33 gtr's have ceramic wheels that fall apart beyond a bar of boost apparently) at the minute its running a max of 12 psi and I have an a/fr guage which is handy. im guessing the power to be just shy of 400bhp but that's just speculation. I will have it on the rollers before I piss around too much. externally I will correct some of the blemishes, theres a shitty patch underneath that wants addressing although its reasonably good underneath. then I suppose I will do a couple of trackdays and go bike baiting lol
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27-08-2015, 12:57 PM
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thanks, not sure really. it will be with me for a long time (hopefully) as I keep hold of stuff. I hope to have the dash flocked as my is heavily pregnant. its a common problem apparently, they basically bulge out on the passenger side. have the interior recovered, the seats are all together but there grubby, and what looks like superglue has been spilt. engine wise, I will be happy with 450bhp so really its just a case of dyno time after fitting some r34 turbo's. (r32/33 gtr's have ceramic wheels that fall apart beyond a bar of boost apparently) at the minute its running a max of 12 psi and I have an a/fr guage which is handy. im guessing the power to be just shy of 400bhp but that's just speculation. I will have it on the rollers before I piss around too much. externally I will correct some of the blemishes, theres a shitty patch underneath that wants addressing although its reasonably good underneath. then I suppose I will do a couple of trackdays and go bike baiting lol
27-08-2015, 05:41 PM
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i think the usual places, under arches, floor ect. a particular problem is there prone to rot around the suspenion turrets upfront
30-08-2015, 07:36 PM
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Very nice indeed! Keep it mint and it'll hold its value all day long (and probably gain some)
31-08-2015, 12:20 AM
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glad you found one
looks a lovely motor that si, whats the power? to me mine feels quick but then again my quickest car till now is my rst powered mk4 escort
looks a lovely motor that si, whats the power? to me mine feels quick but then again my quickest car till now is my rst powered mk4 escort
31-08-2015, 08:08 AM
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Spec is pretty decent, it used to be an ex-track car so suspension mods make it handle nicely. It apparently was 400bhp but boost has been turned down to 0.7 boost so it feels sloooooow! Lol
It does sit well though!
P1 Racing Wheels
Uprated brake pads
Aftermarket side skirts
Bride Bucket seat
Sabelt Safety belt harnesses
N1 Nismo Vents
Trust Large Intercooler
Blitz aluminium radiator
Blitz Twin Suction Air filters
HKS Roll cage
Carrozeria speakers + tweeters
N1 Nismo Bonnet Lip
Ikeya Control arms
Front Upper Rose Joints
Polybushed
Cusco Rear Upgraded DIFF LSD
Central locking with key fobs
Chequered Gtr Floor Mats
Trust Greddy Aluminium Gear knob
Momo Drifting Steering wheel with Boss
Apexi Touch Boost Gauge
Apexi Ex Temp Gauge
Mines 320KMH Speedo Tachometer
R34 Style Tachometer aluminium plate
Recaro Racing Passenger Seat
N1 Nismo Boot lip
Claysmith Cams Camshafts
Claysmith Cams Valve springs
Ported and Polished Race Head
New Rocker Cover Seals
OEM Wind deflectors
Cusco Aluminium Strut Brace
TEIN Race Adjustable Coilovers
Uprated Short Shifter
Headlight HID Xenons
NGK BKR8EIX Spark Plugs
It does sit well though!
P1 Racing Wheels
Uprated brake pads
Aftermarket side skirts
Bride Bucket seat
Sabelt Safety belt harnesses
N1 Nismo Vents
Trust Large Intercooler
Blitz aluminium radiator
Blitz Twin Suction Air filters
HKS Roll cage
Carrozeria speakers + tweeters
N1 Nismo Bonnet Lip
Ikeya Control arms
Front Upper Rose Joints
Polybushed
Cusco Rear Upgraded DIFF LSD
Central locking with key fobs
Chequered Gtr Floor Mats
Trust Greddy Aluminium Gear knob
Momo Drifting Steering wheel with Boss
Apexi Touch Boost Gauge
Apexi Ex Temp Gauge
Mines 320KMH Speedo Tachometer
R34 Style Tachometer aluminium plate
Recaro Racing Passenger Seat
N1 Nismo Boot lip
Claysmith Cams Camshafts
Claysmith Cams Valve springs
Ported and Polished Race Head
New Rocker Cover Seals
OEM Wind deflectors
Cusco Aluminium Strut Brace
TEIN Race Adjustable Coilovers
Uprated Short Shifter
Headlight HID Xenons
NGK BKR8EIX Spark Plugs
Last edited by XRT_si; 31-08-2015 at 08:10 AM.
31-08-2015, 09:10 AM
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Spec is pretty decent, it used to be an ex-track car so suspension mods make it handle nicely. It apparently was 400bhp but boost has been turned down to 0.7 boost so it feels sloooooow! Lol
It does sit well though!
P1 Racing Wheels
Uprated brake pads
Aftermarket side skirts
Bride Bucket seat
Sabelt Safety belt harnesses
N1 Nismo Vents
Trust Large Intercooler
Blitz aluminium radiator
Blitz Twin Suction Air filters
HKS Roll cage
Carrozeria speakers + tweeters
N1 Nismo Bonnet Lip
Ikeya Control arms
Front Upper Rose Joints
Polybushed
Cusco Rear Upgraded DIFF LSD
Central locking with key fobs
Chequered Gtr Floor Mats
Trust Greddy Aluminium Gear knob
Momo Drifting Steering wheel with Boss
Apexi Touch Boost Gauge
Apexi Ex Temp Gauge
Mines 320KMH Speedo Tachometer
R34 Style Tachometer aluminium plate
Recaro Racing Passenger Seat
N1 Nismo Boot lip
Claysmith Cams Camshafts
Claysmith Cams Valve springs
Ported and Polished Race Head
New Rocker Cover Seals
OEM Wind deflectors
Cusco Aluminium Strut Brace
TEIN Race Adjustable Coilovers
Uprated Short Shifter
Headlight HID Xenons
NGK BKR8EIX Spark Plugs
It does sit well though!
P1 Racing Wheels
Uprated brake pads
Aftermarket side skirts
Bride Bucket seat
Sabelt Safety belt harnesses
N1 Nismo Vents
Trust Large Intercooler
Blitz aluminium radiator
Blitz Twin Suction Air filters
HKS Roll cage
Carrozeria speakers + tweeters
N1 Nismo Bonnet Lip
Ikeya Control arms
Front Upper Rose Joints
Polybushed
Cusco Rear Upgraded DIFF LSD
Central locking with key fobs
Chequered Gtr Floor Mats
Trust Greddy Aluminium Gear knob
Momo Drifting Steering wheel with Boss
Apexi Touch Boost Gauge
Apexi Ex Temp Gauge
Mines 320KMH Speedo Tachometer
R34 Style Tachometer aluminium plate
Recaro Racing Passenger Seat
N1 Nismo Boot lip
Claysmith Cams Camshafts
Claysmith Cams Valve springs
Ported and Polished Race Head
New Rocker Cover Seals
OEM Wind deflectors
Cusco Aluminium Strut Brace
TEIN Race Adjustable Coilovers
Uprated Short Shifter
Headlight HID Xenons
NGK BKR8EIX Spark Plugs
31-08-2015, 05:24 PM
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yea, they feel slow with the standard boost don't they. I have been pissing around with the boost controller as it was a minefield to suss but ive got the hang of it now. the difference with a bit of boost is immense. im running it with the controller off until I get it on the rollers (standard boost for now) although the a/f looks happy with the extra boost pressure. trying to look for the engine number to se wethe it has an n1 block. the 24u is supposed to denote n1 but im having a bit of grief trying to see it lol. its near the dip stick hole, maybe worth looking. stronger crank, 1.5 rings, bigger water gallerys, steel turbo's rather than ceramic ect ect. is your dif horrible when turning at low speed? mine makes a right racket. word is its normal with a 2 way diff.
Last edited by mgtkr1; 31-08-2015 at 05:26 PM.
31-08-2015, 07:54 PM
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It feels like it needs at least another bar of boost to make it interesting! Though must say it feels so confident with the current power that you can really chuck it about. Would be good on track at this power level to get used to I reckon.
Not sure how the boost is controlled on my car yet! No sign of a boost controller, but keep finding loads of little cool bits and pieces on it.
I want to find out about my engine now!
And no, my diff doesn't make any noise. I was expecting it to, so I'm kinda doubting it has one fitted really! Supposed to be an Cusco one in it.
yea, they feel slow with the standard boost don't they. I have been pissing around with the boost controller as it was a minefield to suss but ive got the hang of it now. the difference with a bit of boost is immense. im running it with the controller off until I get it on the rollers (standard boost for now) although the a/f looks happy with the extra boost pressure. trying to look for the engine number to se wethe it has an n1 block. the 24u is supposed to denote n1 but im having a bit of grief trying to see it lol. its near the dip stick hole, maybe worth looking. stronger crank, 1.5 rings, bigger water gallerys, steel turbo's rather than ceramic ect ect. is your dif horrible when turning at low speed? mine makes a right racket. word is its normal with a 2 way diff.
I want to find out about my engine now!
And no, my diff doesn't make any noise. I was expecting it to, so I'm kinda doubting it has one fitted really! Supposed to be an Cusco one in it.
