chink

just seen this on briskoda think it could cause a few issues myself

http://www.motoring.co.uk/car-news/p...ber-2014_60347

cossie891

iTrader: (1)

I like the direct debit part lol

stevieturbo

yet another scam from the government....

And people thought them doing away with the paper disc was all innocent.. The scumbags always have hidden agendas to extort more money from motorists and give them hassle. !!

It'll also cause a lot of hassle for car dealers, or more so smaller dealers

More cash for the government, no benefit to anyone else.

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

Must admit, I can't help but think the Government are planning to capitalise on those who won't/can't be bothered to apply for their 1/2 months remaining refund when selling a car. And as the new owner will have to to tax it straight away, there will be plenty of cars that will have paid road tax twice for certain months.

Maxwell

Before anyone says it.....

They wont add the tax on the fuel because it will cause job losses at the DVA and it will mean the rich will have to pay too. Sod that, said the government

LHD220Turbo

iTrader: (4)

the goverment cashing in again, who is going to bother to claim back 1 months tax on tax that cost Ł70 (as an example), it just aint worth the bother and paperwork

selling a car with a few months tax is always a bonus and helps to sell it

dojj

iTrader: (3)

i can't see the benifit, if it's supposed to make it easier to check a car is taxed and insured by sticking the number plate into a computer, surely it's not going to be a problem selling the car with the valid tax on it?

stevieturbo

the benefit is the thieves in government get more of our money, whilst saving having to pay staff.

They may try and spin some propaganda that it is for other reasons, but the truth is obvious

tonysierra4x4

if every car sold in britain in a year paid an extra months tax it is a huge money making scam from the government. sell a car on any day of the month previous owner claims back any full months left. new owner has to tax so also needs to pay for the month although previous owner has already forked out for it. bikes not too bad but work out cars, vans, lorries etc. once again a huge stealth tax on motorists from a government who don't give a f**k for hardworking, decent, honest people. oh, silly me, i forgot we were the only ones stupid enough to pay all the time.

Maxwell

It is this "laissez-faire" attitude, as to why the british economy is in the state its in. If people these days, had the balls that even the women in the Dagenham Ford plant had all those years ago, things would be VERY different

bigbhu

Hello i'd like to buy some tax please... no problem just pull your pants down and bend over that table over there please, also would like lube with that or not?

Nath

Hardly a fucking surprise that there now taxing the owner and not just the car

While it won't make much difference to people who don't change cars often it's a pain for those that do.

As I'm paying Ł485, or something daft like that a year for tax. I want to be able to show anyone who cares my stupid sticker (tax) to get some sort of value for money. Soon I won't even be able to do that

There getting too carried away with this belt tightening exercise

stevieturbo

It isnt belt tightening.

It is plain and simple corruption, extortion and theft by deception.

They are just criminals. Somehow over time, "tax" has been made sociably acceptable and people dont treat it as theft anymore.

That really needs to change

chink

so what if you buy a car late at night how can you tax it if post offices are closed??

what if you have a private plate on the vehicle would you put that on retention then cash the tax it

STAFFY OWNER

You can be sure that they'd charge you for the lube too.

STeve

iTrader: (11)

surely this will mean car sales will only take place on a start of the month basis causing further headaches at dvla

foreigneRS

what, the dvla computers get headaches do they? i hear they hate working on the weekend as well

focusv8

No,

Because the seller will want to sell and claim the refund before the end of the month.
And the buyer may not want to buy till the new month has started so they don't waste any money.

They don't appear to have said whether a refund claim can be made and take effect any time of day or night.

i.e claim a refund at 23.59 on the last day of the month

Presumably in the same cost saving exercise you now only have to SORN a vehicle once in your ownership.
It ceases on change of owner or taxing again.

Mk4 Rick

Carnt see it working at all with out problems

Less.

So wonder if this will stop by the road side traders ?

You would think that they would have the details about on the direct gov website telling everyone about it but no, no info will be put on at the last min so people not know about it and they can fine people

Mk4 Rick

I think it would kill road side traders completely

stevieturbo

It wont kill them but it will cause them hassle and I'd say this is a large part of what the government are trying to achieve.

People selling cars here and there for cash, no record of them being in the traders hands etc.

Some people naively thought getting rid of the disc was a good thing....but it was a dead cert there was more behind any reasons than what first appeared. The government are dirty scheming bastards when it comes to extorting money out of people

foreigneRS

and what do 'the government' do with all of this money being 'extorted' from the public? generally it's needed to pay for services used by the public.

either you pay it directly in income tax, VAT etc or they have to generate it through 'stealth taxes' like this.

in the end, does it really matter? you are either happy paying it and receiving the benefits as a society or you should piss off to another country that suits you better.

stevieturbo

After all the rich politicians etc line their pockets, buy big houses and sort their own huge pensions....then pay retards and consultant, and more consultants, and more consultants etc to fuck up the likes of the NHS, they then seem to dish the rest out in hand outs to lazy fuckers not prepared to do a days work, or to families who decide to have multiple children, yet know they have no means whatsoever of supporting them.


As for benefits I receive...not really sure what they are ?

caprizetec170

Just out of interest how much is road tax in the uk for a 2008 focus st
before i have a go at ye for been moanie c**ts
Tax over here is even worse
1.4 06 focus =385
1.6 86 capri =514
2.0 76 capri =56
2.5 focus st =1080

stevieturbo

There is no doubt Ireland is fucking mental !!

STeve

iTrader: (11)

thats exactly what I mean sellers wont part with cars until last day of the month etc and fresh buyers will want them at the start so its a 24 hour window

stevieturbo

If someone has cash sitting and wants to buy a car....I really doubt either party is going to wait a week or two in the hope the sale goes through.

It may happen in some cases, but not the majority.

Most likely what will happen is more people will end up driving untaxed cars because of this, or be more likely to give false details when buying.

The Crocodile Hunter

I believe an 08 st will cost Ł280 a year, same as the renewal I have just received for my is200

Bailes1992

I can see where they are coming from. It'll be nice to have a clean windscreen!
But... how do you buy tax on a car that you've just bought that isn't registered to you yet??

foreigneRS

i didn't necessarily mean direct benefits in that sense, more things like libraries, education, roads, health care, emergency services etc etc. stuff that people take for granted in their cozy first world existence but have to be paid for somehow

i hardly think politicians get rich directly from taxes - they have a fixed salary. those that are wealthy have not often got wealthy from their salary but often from family money, personan engagements etc, and yes i'm sure there are plenty of other ways in which money comes their way, but to constantly go on about it coming out of taxes like you do is not right

kosman

yeah i really can't see this working out without a lot of people copping for no 'tax' fine's,more money in the purse from them aswell.

costina

iTrader: (1)

Could be a grey area in which the motorist can get fined yet again

Good point tho

Brendan

iTrader: (1)

you can only claim for whole months left on the tax disk so if you sell the car in the middle of the month you loose half a months tax oh and as you only buy in whole months the buyer looses half a months tax too.....

so every time a vehicle is sold secondhand the government gets 1 months tax extra! WHAT A GOOD CON!

I checked and there are about 6.7 million second hand car sales a year.

(http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/rep...08/oft1217.pdf page 24)

this will make if average duty is about Ł15 a month about Ł100 million



The other money spinner is that they will probably make foreign lorries pay by the month to use our roads too.

This is all about generating more revenue for the government from road users

STAFFY OWNER

I think most people understand the fact that they have to pay taxes to fund the infrastructure of the country but i think people would like to see more of it being spent in the areas where the tax is being generated from. The government reels in about Ł40 billion in motoring taxes but only spends about 22% of this on road maintenance and improvements.
Can you honestly say that you are happy with the state of our roads?

dojj

iTrader: (3)

the way i see it, you are going to sell your car, and the month you sell your car, you will have paid for the tax as the seller AND the buyer will have to shell out for tax as the buyer

so effectivly the governemtn have got paid for 13 months to tax a car for 12

ajamesc

So if you buy a car now can you not drive it home as it will have no tax lol
Surly you won't be able to tax it on line iver with out it being registered in your name and takes a few weeks

focusv8

Unless when you buy a car they've changed the computer system to;

Sale completes, current owner IMMEDIATELY notifies DVLA via phone or online of sale AND claims refund of duty which cancels the existing tax.

Then New owner notifies change of owner details IMMEDIATELY after the above and then taxes online or by phone.


Then no one will have any cause to stop the new owner driving home as the road tax will still show as existing.

For the above to happen the computer system at DVLA would have to update instantly and in the numbers of owner transfers as quoted in another post.

And it's unlikely the same system will allow the new owner to tax whilst the previous owner still has their tax on it, so if the old owner is slow to notify change the new owner won't be able to notify change and retax immediately

ajamesc

Yeah I can see that working on a Sunday when no one is there to awnser the phone and you have no internet lol

nickscunny

iTrader: (1)

If you choose to pay for a tax disc on monthly direct debit, Does that that mean you can miss a few months if the car is off the road?