Can 2WD and 4x4 ABS parts be mixed ?
#1
Can 2WD and 4x4 ABS parts be mixed ?
My car has 2WD Cosworth running gear but the condition of the ABS system is unknown.
I also have the complete ABS system from a 4x4 Sierra that I know is spot on.
Can I use the 4x4 pump, loom, valve block, ecu and sensors from the 4x4 ?
Thanks in advance.
Mark
I also have the complete ABS system from a 4x4 Sierra that I know is spot on.
Can I use the 4x4 pump, loom, valve block, ecu and sensors from the 4x4 ?
Thanks in advance.
Mark
#2
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The hydraulic parts are identical, so yes, the pump, valve block are interchangeable. The ECUs are electrically different, so you can only use a 2wd ECU on a 2wd loom, and a 4x4 ECU on a 4x4 loom. The 4x4 ECU's also programmed differently, so not suited to a 2wd application.
The wheel sensors I think are different at the front, not 100% on that though.
Most common faults are wheel sensors and the fluid level sensor in the cap.
The wheel sensors I think are different at the front, not 100% on that though.
Most common faults are wheel sensors and the fluid level sensor in the cap.
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Thanks for the thread link mark So what did you do in the end? Are we saying 100% that the pump, servo valve etc etc is the same from a 2wd and 4x4 saph? This is doing my head in lol
People convert to 2wd from 4x4 all the time, what do they do? Leave the 4x4 abs system in?
People convert to 2wd from 4x4 all the time, what do they do? Leave the 4x4 abs system in?
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#8
On a XR4x4 this gadget
Is screwed directly into the valve block where as on 2WD it's near the back axle.
My car is a million miles away from being done so I have not sorted out anything with the brakes yet!
Edit to add the brake fluid resovoir is different between 4x4 and 2WD
Is screwed directly into the valve block where as on 2WD it's near the back axle.
My car is a million miles away from being done so I have not sorted out anything with the brakes yet!
Edit to add the brake fluid resovoir is different between 4x4 and 2WD
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#9
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On a XR4x4 this gadget
Is screwed directly into the valve block where as on 2WD it's near the back axle.
My car is a million miles away from being done so I have not sorted out anything with the brakes yet!
Edit to add the brake fluid resovoir is different between 4x4 and 2WD
Is screwed directly into the valve block where as on 2WD it's near the back axle.
My car is a million miles away from being done so I have not sorted out anything with the brakes yet!
Edit to add the brake fluid resovoir is different between 4x4 and 2WD
#10
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that "gadget" is there to join the pipes rather than using one long pipe
you can use the mechanical bits from either car but you must use the electrical bits from the 2wd or the 4wd cars for each application
the sensors only differ in the amount of shielding they run to stop the signals getting interfered with from other sources and, from memory they were something silly like 104 108 and 112, but what the numbers mean i have no idea
the bigger numbers were from the granadas as they ran more electrical stuff so they required more shielding on the cables
the 4wd ones also had additional relays i the fuse box and the abs trigger time was both later and less effective so as to stop the transfer box killing itself under repeated heavy stopping
you can use the mechanical bits from either car but you must use the electrical bits from the 2wd or the 4wd cars for each application
the sensors only differ in the amount of shielding they run to stop the signals getting interfered with from other sources and, from memory they were something silly like 104 108 and 112, but what the numbers mean i have no idea
the bigger numbers were from the granadas as they ran more electrical stuff so they required more shielding on the cables
the 4wd ones also had additional relays i the fuse box and the abs trigger time was both later and less effective so as to stop the transfer box killing itself under repeated heavy stopping
#11
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that "gadget" is there to join the pipes rather than using one long pipe
you can use the mechanical bits from either car but you must use the electrical bits from the 2wd or the 4wd cars for each application
the sensors only differ in the amount of shielding they run to stop the signals getting interfered with from other sources and, from memory they were something silly like 104 108 and 112, but what the numbers mean i have no idea
the bigger numbers were from the granadas as they ran more electrical stuff so they required more shielding on the cables
the 4wd ones also had additional relays i the fuse box and the abs trigger time was both later and less effective so as to stop the transfer box killing itself under repeated heavy stopping
you can use the mechanical bits from either car but you must use the electrical bits from the 2wd or the 4wd cars for each application
the sensors only differ in the amount of shielding they run to stop the signals getting interfered with from other sources and, from memory they were something silly like 104 108 and 112, but what the numbers mean i have no idea
the bigger numbers were from the granadas as they ran more electrical stuff so they required more shielding on the cables
the 4wd ones also had additional relays i the fuse box and the abs trigger time was both later and less effective so as to stop the transfer box killing itself under repeated heavy stopping
#13
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the pump and stuff will still hook up exactly the same, it's the ecu and stuff that's different
can't remember if they are green for the 2wd and red for the 4wd but they have big stickers on them so you don't mix them up
and the resivours are on different sides as you say to stop the fluid from heating up when they are fitted to cars with the exhauts on one side or the other, they are simply reversed
can't remember if they are green for the 2wd and red for the 4wd but they have big stickers on them so you don't mix them up
and the resivours are on different sides as you say to stop the fluid from heating up when they are fitted to cars with the exhauts on one side or the other, they are simply reversed
#14
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the pump and stuff will still hook up exactly the same, it's the ecu and stuff that's different
can't remember if they are green for the 2wd and red for the 4wd but they have big stickers on them so you don't mix them up
and the resivours are on different sides as you say to stop the fluid from heating up when they are fitted to cars with the exhauts on one side or the other, they are simply reversed
can't remember if they are green for the 2wd and red for the 4wd but they have big stickers on them so you don't mix them up
and the resivours are on different sides as you say to stop the fluid from heating up when they are fitted to cars with the exhauts on one side or the other, they are simply reversed
#15
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that gadget is a compensator valve
so basically the more weight the car has at the back he valve has something inside it possibly a ball bearing, so it increases the braking pressure accordingly to the back, 4wd are built onto the valve block on the inner wing
the ecus and abs looms are different aswell as sensors
the pumps are different aswell as they swapped the bottle over
when most people convert to 2wd from 4wd its easier just to take the shafts apart and leave the cv joints in so they use the 4wd sensors still
so basically the more weight the car has at the back he valve has something inside it possibly a ball bearing, so it increases the braking pressure accordingly to the back, 4wd are built onto the valve block on the inner wing
the ecus and abs looms are different aswell as sensors
the pumps are different aswell as they swapped the bottle over
when most people convert to 2wd from 4wd its easier just to take the shafts apart and leave the cv joints in so they use the 4wd sensors still
#16
Pick-up P100 Power!
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that gadget is a compensator valve
so basically the more weight the car has at the back he valve has something inside it possibly a ball bearing, so it increases the braking pressure accordingly to the back, 4wd are built onto the valve block on the inner wing
the ecus and abs looms are different aswell as sensors
the pumps are different aswell as they swapped the bottle over
when most people convert to 2wd from 4wd its easier just to take the shafts apart and leave the cv joints in so they use the 4wd sensors still
so basically the more weight the car has at the back he valve has something inside it possibly a ball bearing, so it increases the braking pressure accordingly to the back, 4wd are built onto the valve block on the inner wing
the ecus and abs looms are different aswell as sensors
the pumps are different aswell as they swapped the bottle over
when most people convert to 2wd from 4wd its easier just to take the shafts apart and leave the cv joints in so they use the 4wd sensors still
#18
Testing the future
first why don't you think about it for a bit and see if you think that the braking requirements under near locking conditions are the same for a car whose front and back wheels are effectively joined, and one where they are not. if you can answer that, that should tell you what ecu you need to use, as that is what reads the sensors and based on their rate of change starts to limit the pressure front and back.
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That's incorrect, the red plug will plug straight into a 2wd ecu, but if its the other way around the 4x4 ecu either needs a small roll pin removing or a little notch cutting in the outer connector cover.. Either of which will take less than a minute to carry out so I don't see your point!
#29
It's only taken me 6 years to get around to fitting the loom
4x4 plug will not plug directly into the 2WD ECU I have, not a problem that can't be sorted with a file but the pin layout is different between the two plugs.
Anyone done this recently and had no problems ?
4x4 plug will not plug directly into the 2WD ECU I have, not a problem that can't be sorted with a file but the pin layout is different between the two plugs.
Anyone done this recently and had no problems ?
#30
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I have a 4x4 ecu if you need it?
#31
Thanks for the offer mate, I'm 2WD and the 4x4 ECU is not meant to work properly from what I've read.
Think I'm going to forget the 4x4 loom and tidy up the 2WD one, probably less work than finding out the 4x4 one doesn't do the job and swapping it all over later!
Think I'm going to forget the 4x4 loom and tidy up the 2WD one, probably less work than finding out the 4x4 one doesn't do the job and swapping it all over later!
#32
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There are extra "bits" from what I can remember from the wiring diagrams in the 4wd system
Again, from memory, this is to stop the 4wd system from killing the centre viscous with repeated abs interference
From personal experience I would stay with the 2wd system, even if you are fitting it to the 4wd car
Again, from memory, this is to stop the 4wd system from killing the centre viscous with repeated abs interference
From personal experience I would stay with the 2wd system, even if you are fitting it to the 4wd car
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